Latest Line: 14 mins, 0 points, 0/1 shooting, 2 rebs, 3 fouls... 0 pts/stls/assists/blks...

4 games cumulative: 59 mins, 2 points, 0/8 shooting, 2/2 FT, 15 rebs, 2 ast, 2 stl, 0 blk, 7 TO, 13 F

0.5 ppg, 14.8 mpg, 3.8 rpg, 1.75 TOpg, 0.5spg, 0bpg, 3.3 fpg

So, from his Raptor days - rebounding rate same, turnovers are up, fouls are up, scoring down...

Plus - a) this is preseason, so he's playing against the other teams' scrubs
and the Jazz want to give him every opportunity since he's hometown and they just traded for him.

I have a feeling he might be released outright before the season starts. Or maybe just stashed on the injured list before quietly making no attempt to sign him at the end of the season, just to save face.

lets not take too much pleasure in hoffa's failures in the nba, he's not even on the raptors anymore

Man, i think I'm the only one who wanted Hoffa to suceed. Hopefully he turns it around and does well.

Tonight Hoffa scored 4 pts against me in NBA 2K7. I can accept that as penalty for leaving him open at all times, but it still felt wrong. Luckily my Raps squad managed an overtime win. (in my defense ... I'm really struggling with the NBA Live -> 2Kx transition, but loving 2K7 . plus I'm not that swift.)

Did someone tag his ear?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=261024007

How is it possible he got even worse with his return to Utah?

Did he really get worse? 5 fouls, 2 pts, 2 reb in 11 minutes sounds about right.

4 turnovers, that's how.

How did Hoffa get the ball four times? WTF?

Hoffa goes for a double double against the Pacers.

Why did we trade this guy?

Yeah, and Villanueva dropped 25 points and 12 rebounds on the Bobcats. Today was not a good day for neurotic Raptor fans.

its Hoffa. Not Jordan. *shivers*..

but still, its good to see the brazillian beast do something with himself.

I was kidding dude.

Hoffa even had a couple double doubles for the raps.

Tim Hortons?

Oops. Memory faded.

12/28 @LAL L 99-117 19 4 8 0 0 0 0 5 5 10 0 3 0 1 3 8
12/29 @GS L 105-111 22 4 5 0 0 5 6 1 7 8 1 1 1 2 2 13
He got close.
8 points 10 boards one night. 13 points 8 boards the next back in 04.

Is Hoffa on the inactive list? He'll probably stay there all season, if he is.

I was dissappointed to see that Loren Woods didn't play last night.

in case anyone was wonder what hoffa was upto lately..

Hoffa's new team- 7-1
Hoffa's old team- 2-5

Hoffa for MVP? Think about it.

Hoffa has proven his real worth to a team by not being played. Now there's a game-changer if ever I've seen one.

Hoffa is dressed up as a NBA center!! He really looks like one too.

(sorry Hoff...nothing personal)

yup.. his new team must look good.. from the bench... and his new team didnt execute team option for his next year

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/columni...f1-b7775473a695

Do we really need to keep beating ourselves over the head with that stuff? I dont mean you LowerBowl, I mean the writer.

Every team has a regretable draft pick in their past and a flukey lucky pick.

Enough already.

I agree 100%.

Not according to Lincoln.

What pick would qualify as the Raptors "flukey" lucky pick?

I would qualify T_Mac as a flukey lucky pick.

The number of high schoolers that make it compared to the ones that dont is substantial.

And Jose is turning into one...secondround picks arnt suppose to challenge for starting jobs.

Jose wasn't a second round pick, he was an FA signing from Europe, one of the few good moves left over from the Babs era.

Jose Calderon was an undrafted free agent.

Making it even more flukey.

...but it wasn't a draft pick.

According to the article and Lincoln's various posts on the matter, we could have the following at the moment:

PG: Chris Paul/ Jose Calderon
SG: Anthony Parker/ Fred Jones
SF: Andre Iguodala/ Morris Peterson
PF: Chris Bosh/ Jorge Garbojosa
C: Andrea Bargnanni/ Rasho Nesterovic

^^

???

Although I like random shots at Lincoln...