Efman
Nov 29 2009, 11:26 AM
Next to get Bosh in the nutsack? Amare.
Maybe Nash will do a "Look up there!" (with his left hand) and crack his jewels with the right hand. That never fails.
About the only guarantee today is that I will be eating Pizza tomorrow.
forsakenMarz
Nov 29 2009, 12:33 PM
Let's hope the Raptors are able to stick this one to the Suns given how close we got on their homecourt. Not likely unfortunaely. I have a feeling we get blown out of our own court.
forsakenMarz
Nov 29 2009, 02:10 PM
Gotta love these idiots trying to make a story out of nothing. One hard foul by Amare and all of a sudden the Suns are "testing the Raptors toughness"... just STFU Leo
CV31
Nov 29 2009, 02:21 PM
Eric Freedman asking Nash about the hard foul. What a joke. I really dont think the Suns cared about it and the only reason they wanted to see it on the replay as Freedmn mentioned because it was a pretty dirty dunk. Lets see what Raptor team comes out after half time.
waterboy619
Nov 29 2009, 02:35 PM
LOL at the one lonely voice in the stands lustily shouting "defence!"
Pretty much a picture of the whole season, eh?
PBI
Nov 29 2009, 02:48 PM
How can you guys watch Leo Rautins calling a game Steve Nash is involved in?
waterboy619
Nov 29 2009, 02:50 PM
QUOTE (PBI @ Nov 29 2009, 01:48 PM)

How can you guys watch Leo Rautins calling a game Steve Nash is involved in?
I watched the first half of the third quarter of this game. My constitution is pretty strong.
forsakenMarz
Nov 29 2009, 03:28 PM
QUOTE (PBI @ Nov 29 2009, 08:48 PM)

How can you guys watch Leo Rautins calling a game Steve Nash is involved in?
It was almost unbearable. He basically started campaigning for Nash to come play for Canada sometime in the second half. Just call the game Leo, that's all your being paid to do.
tjf11b
Nov 29 2009, 03:30 PM
This is complete and utter garbage. Triano is fired inside the next ten games.
waterboy619
Nov 29 2009, 03:40 PM
QUOTE (tjf11b @ Nov 29 2009, 02:30 PM)

This is complete and utter garbage. Triano is fired inside the next ten games.
I don't think Triano is necessarily the issue; it's entirely possible that he on-court slacking, and the the slumps which are exacerbating the problem, would continue under a new coach for twenty or thirty games. It's also possible that bring in a new coach after the worst part of the schedule is over would mask problems with the coaches, the players, or both, so that we would think there was a change for the better coaching-wise, when there wasn't.
All that being said, I think that if the Raptors brought in Mike Kelly for a couple weeks (it's not as if he's busy today...), that would go a long way towards curing the Raptors' problems so far this season.
tjf11b
Nov 29 2009, 05:06 PM
QUOTE (waterboy619 @ Nov 29 2009, 04:40 PM)

I don't think Triano is necessarily the issue; it's entirely possible that he on-court slacking, and the the slumps which are exacerbating the problem, would continue under a new coach for twenty or thirty games. It's also possible that bring in a new coach after the worst part of the schedule is over would mask problems with the coaches, the players, or both, so that we would think there was a change for the better coaching-wise, when there wasn't.
All that being said, I think that if the Raptors brought in Mike Kelly for a couple weeks (it's not as if he's busy today...), that would go a long way towards curing the Raptors' problems so far this season.
I didn't say Triano is the issue, or the only issue at play. I am just saying it is his head that will be rolling. With Evans injured we are down to an assortment of soft jump shooters. Too many times when a game is on the line we get someone taking a jumper. Calderon missing so many crucial shots. He is just not big time. As simple as that.
Jonathan Bender
Nov 29 2009, 05:41 PM
Reggie Evans is not the answer anyway. Hes a one trick dog himself, and even if hes rebounding and hustling, does that mean the others 4 will actually magically start? Plus the guy has Zero offense
Break up the core..
waterboy619
Nov 29 2009, 06:20 PM
QUOTE (Jonathan Bender @ Nov 29 2009, 04:41 PM)

Reggie Evans is not the answer anyway. Hes a one trick dog himself, and even if hes rebounding and hustling, does that mean the others 4 will actually magically start? Plus the guy has Zero offense
Break up the core..
Reggie won't solve most of our problems - and in particular, the problems we've had with our guard play - but another player who hustles and defends among this bunch couldn't hurt, especially if he doesn't get lost on rotations like Andrea does. And if his intensity is contagious, so much the better.
PBI
Nov 29 2009, 06:37 PM
QUOTE (Jonathan Bender @ Nov 29 2009, 05:41 PM)

Break up the core..
That's the only reasonable option but BC's ties to Bargnani and Calderon's contract will prevent any tangible changes from taking place. The Bosh situation will sort itself out in the summer, BC is not proactive enough nor does he have enough balls to trade Bosh mid season.
To be honest, I'd rather live with this make up of the Raptors than one where Bargnani is the number one option...
NorthernFalcon
Nov 29 2009, 06:53 PM
There is one possible way to believe this team can do something, even despite today's loss: the Raptors have played the third most difficult strength of schedule in the league this season. Not saying that this means they're a good team, just saying that they have one and only one excuse left.
PBI
Nov 29 2009, 08:42 PM
QUOTE (NorthernFalcon @ Nov 29 2009, 06:53 PM)

There is one possible way to believe this team can do something, even despite today's loss: the Raptors have played the third most difficult strength of schedule in the league this season. Not saying that this means they're a good team, just saying that they have one and only one excuse left.
I think fans are ticked more at how this team has looked defensively (The fact they've allowed 100+ points over the last 9 games) rather than their record. Most observers are aware that the Raptors have played a tough schedule but we have looked atrocious defensively regardless of the strength of the opponent for the most.
forsakenMarz
Nov 29 2009, 09:11 PM
QUOTE (PBI @ Nov 29 2009, 11:37 PM)

That's the only reasonable option but BC's ties to Bargnani and Calderon's contract will prevent any tangible changes from taking place. The Bosh situation will sort itself out in the summer, BC is not proactive enough nor does he have enough balls to trade Bosh mid season.
To be honest, I'd rather live with this make up of the Raptors than one where Bargnani is the number one option...

I agree that Bosh won't be traded mid-season, but it has nothing to do with BC not being proactive. BC has shown that he's willing to make moves that blow up a team. Unfortunately no one will be taking Hedo. But Andrea and Jose are possibly moveable come seasons end.
If Andrea doesn't show some improvement in his help defense, then I'd definetely be willing to trade his offensive firepower for a more traditional centre (Kaman?). Building around Bosh + DeRozan, while having Hedo+Jack+Johnson and maybe Belinelli as the complimentary part sounds good to me (although I'd switch out Hedo for Marion... too bad we can't turn back now).
Dellwell
Nov 29 2009, 09:54 PM
Jay won’t be fired. He is trying to coach a team put together by BC. Think an upper tier coach would agree to come to the Raps with this roster?
Jose & Bargs should be up on the trading block but I’d expect Bargs to be more in demand….
Raps on most nights are physically outmatched at every position other then PF…
Leo is horrible calling games. Jack is much better…
Raps are soft, nothing more needs to be said….
nathan
Nov 30 2009, 10:36 AM
Why did we pick the SUNS as the team to start switching everything on defence against? How many times did Jose end up guarding Amar';'`~e in the post? Although he did surprisingly well

I just continue to lose interest in this team (yet continue watching the games .. hmm, sign of insanity?)
Smothered in Hugs
Nov 30 2009, 12:28 PM
Jose and Bargs have not been giving Bosh the Help he needs, I echo the call to break up the core as Bosh either needs a more dynamic scoring point guard or a more paint oriented center so Bosh doesn't get put on an island as much.
Smothered in Hugs
Nov 30 2009, 12:29 PM
QUOTE (nathan @ Nov 30 2009, 10:36 AM)

Why did we pick the SUNS as the team to start switching everything on defence against? How many times did Jose end up guarding Amar';'`~e in the post? Although he did surprisingly well

I just continue to lose interest in this team (yet continue watching the games .. hmm, sign of insanity?)
I have been saying the same thing at work this morning, how many times did Andrea get stuck guarding Nash?......C'mon!
forsakenMarz
Nov 30 2009, 05:36 PM
I think the funny thing is that Andrea and Bosh did a better job defending Nash than our point guards did. Bosh was surprisingly effective at not getting completely beat off the dribble, and Andrea forced Nash into making several tough shots. He made them because, well, he's Steve Nash, but I wouldn't mind seeing us switch on some other teams. Of course Jose getting exposed isn't exactly a fun sight, but it's going to happen at the 1 or the 5 so I don't see an alternative.
Efman
Dec 1 2009, 11:09 AM
QUOTE (forsakenMarz @ Nov 30 2009, 05:36 PM)

I think the funny thing is that Andrea and Bosh did a better job defending Nash than our point guards did. Bosh was surprisingly effective at not getting completely beat off the dribble, and Andrea forced Nash into making several tough shots. He made them because, well, he's Steve Nash, but I wouldn't mind seeing us switch on some other teams. Of course Jose getting exposed isn't exactly a fun sight, but it's going to happen at the 1 or the 5 so I don't see an alternative.
The problem with Bargs is he plays in North America. Bonehead NA thinking is that if you are 7 ft tall, you are a center...period.
Bargs has the skills and mindset of a 3. He can guard quick players...cant do anything against big players.
Let Amir start at center. Moves Bargs to 3!
Smothered in Hugs
Dec 1 2009, 01:01 PM
QUOTE (Efman @ Dec 1 2009, 11:09 AM)

The problem with Bargs is he plays in North America. Bonehead NA thinking is that if you are 7 ft tall, you are a center...period.
Bargs has the skills and mindset of a 3. He can guard quick players...cant do anything against big players.
Let Amir start at center. Moves Bargs to 3!
I think if Amir continues to show up every night he may very well deserve a starting job, look at Kendrick Perkins he carved himself a niche with the Celtics.
forsakenMarz
Dec 1 2009, 05:34 PM
QUOTE (Efman @ Dec 1 2009, 05:09 PM)

The problem with Bargs is he plays in North America. Bonehead NA thinking is that if you are 7 ft tall, you are a center...period.
Bargs has the skills and mindset of a 3. He can guard quick players...cant do anything against big players.
Let Amir start at center. Moves Bargs to 3!
So let me get this straight... you're proposing:
PG: Jose
SG: Hedo
SF: Bargs
PF: Bosh
C: Amir
... yeah, that'll work!
We need more Europeans on this team. I wish we had our own version of Don Cherry to run these guys out of town.
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