Seriously. He is leaving. So let's start a thread discusing possible locations or teams we could deal him to in a sign and trade. It's not like there's a whole lot else going on in raptorland right now, and this trade thread could make up for some interesting scenarios.

If Houston is still struggling I propose a Bosh for Yao trade. chris goes to play with T-mac in Texas while Yao goes to a huge Asian market. I foresee a parade down Spadina.


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Trade him to Chi-town for Ben Gordon, Luol Deng and those guys. Kirk Hinrich maybe. Obviously more players would have to be included but get someone young in return.

I seriously dont think Bosh will leave though.

The Raptors can't afford to lose Bosh, through free agency (unlikely) or trade, they'll become too much of a joke of a franchise. I might even be tempted to jump ship based on principle. A team can't lose Damon Stoudemire, Marcus Camby, Tracy McGrady, Chauncy Billups, Vince Carter, and Chris Bosh. It would just be one big damn cycle. They need to stick with one player if this team ever wants to go anywhere.

Bosh won't leave. The new CBA makes it too lucrative to stay with the team that drafts you. Furthermore, if Bosh requests a trade after signing a rookie contract extension, the poision pill provision makes it difficult to trade the contract.

To leave, Bosh would have to refuse the max contract that the raptors could offer, becoming the first player even to turn down a max contract in the history of the NBA. He would then have to spend a year as a restricted free agent, sign no offer sheets (because as a restricted free agent the raptors could match) and then become a free agent. As a free agent, the max contract any team could offer would be one year less than what the raptors could offer.

I repeat, Bosh won't leave.

That there is the single biggest motivation for him to stay here.

He could obivously end up asking for a trade.

requesting a trade is also tricky - the poison pill provision, from larry coons CBA FAQs:

If a team tries to trade an extended rookie between the date his extension is signed and the date it takes effect, his "trade value" for the receiving team is the average of the salaries in the last year of the scale contract and each year of the extension. This is called the "poison pill provision."

In other words, the recieving salary will be an average of the rookie scale and the extension. During the last year of a rookie contract (if an extension was agreed) the recieving team would calculate Bosh's value based on an average of the max contract and the rookie scale, while the giving team would use his actual contract value.

Bottom line - you'd have to match salaries between the recieving team and the giving team to within 25% +/- 100,000 when the recieving team would calculate bosh's contract as about 9 million, and we would calculate it as about 3.5 million.

Hard to do.

Well if Bosh really wanted to leave, he would just accept the qualifying offer after his 4th year, stay one more year and become and unrestricted FA, and then he can go wherever he wants.

Did you guys catch this crap in the Star today:




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If this happens all over again, I'm done with this team.

Damon, Tmac, Vince... Bosh??

If I had it my way, we'd trade Bosh and Jalen to Charlotte for Okafor and Brezec.....numbers work, fills our void at Center, but I doubt Charlotte would let Okafor go.

He is not going anywhere. What do you expect his agent to say? He has got to keep his options open.

Altho alot can change in a year or two I do believe Bosh will want to leave. If Babcock could pull off a Yao for Bosh trade he'll be GM of the year.

Bosh-for-Yao is a fantasy. Look what this GM got for Vince Carter. With our luck, he'll end up trading Bosh for Rick Brunson, Mateen Cleaves, some Spalding basketballs and a can of Coke.

^ no draft picks?

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Yeah I don't expect it to happen. Houston would trade T-mac fire Van Gundy before trading Yao.

If he can get Cherry Coke I'd really be impressed!!!! (Haven't seen that stuff in years!)

These conspiracy theories at this point in time are stupid. We have no proof that Bosh intends to leave. Yes he's shown his frustration at this point in time, but he's young and has acknowledged that he understands the team has to endure these losses in order to gain in the long run. He doesn't strike me as in impatient bubble waiting to burst (like VC did with all of the media heckling) and demand a trade outright. There are many impatient fools in this forum that go on about Babcock's overall stupidity and the team's losses, yet they fail to see the simplicity of it all --this season is meant to be tanked whether the organization admits it or not.

Duh.

Okay, we had Stoudemire, Carter, Davis, T-Mac...yup it's the fifth take.

I think they still sell it... you should be able to find it at your local 7-11.

alright. I'll repeat.


bosh cannot accept a qualifying offer without the raps having an opportuinity to match. That's what being a restricted free agent means, and rookies are RFA's in the last year of their contract.

Furthermore, other teams can only offer a contract of 5 years, not 6, and at lower raises. That means that Bosh would have to turn down all offers in the final year of his rookie contract, from the raptors and everyone else, hope he doen't get hurt, then declare himself a FA after his rookie contract ends, and the accept a contract that is about $15 million less than what he could get paid in TO.

He would be the first person in the history of the NBA to turn down a max contract.





this will work until the trade deadline - and babs won't trade bosh this year.

for the first year of Bosh's extension and the final year of the rookie contract, (ie next year and the year after), the poison pill provision makes it very hard to trade him. It's essentially a severe version of the BYC contract. Bosh will be untradeable for another max contract until the second year of his extension, and absolutly untradeable for another person on the rookie scale or a rookie extension.

Try working out trades with Amare. He has the poison pill provision and a max extension, so see if you can make something work.

Bosh is not leaving until at least three seasons from now.

Finally, 'alot' is two words.

Can you blame him? I won't if he does because this team is not going to magically start winning games.

I don't think Bosh will leave, its 2 difficult to leave due to all the restrictions and the contract..blah blah blah

His agent is just being a good agent, keeping the interest in his client, keeping all his options available.

Bosh is a smart guy, he can see that this franchise is building around him and some good things can happen.... if he does somehow escape... i just hope the NBA decides to keep the raps in t-dot... no basketball in toronto would be a nightmare

There's no doubt Bosh will want to leave.
The only question is can he turn down the money.

I doubt he'll want to turn down all that cash, but he'll pull a Vince if the team still sucks. And don't start all this BS about he's classier than Vince, because EVERY athelete would do the same thing.

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Actually Farmer, fgrep is right.

For anyone still confused: If Bosh does not sign an extension this summer, Bosh's rookie contract will expire after the 2007 season. In order to make Bosh a restricted free agent (which allows the Raps to match any offer that that any other team makes him) the Raps must extend what is known as a Qualifying Offer (I think this is where you are getting tangled - it is the free agent's team that extends a qualifying offer not competing teams). The Qualifying Offer is for one year only and the amount of the offer is based on a formula (fyi, Bosh's qualifying offer would be $5,586,255). At this point Bosh would have two choices. He could sign an offer sheet from another team and the Raps would be entitled to match whatever competing offer he was made. Alternatively, as fgrep correctly states, Bosh could sign the one year Qualifying Offer from the Raps and after the completion of that year he would become an unrestricted free agent.

For the record, I really don't like what Bosh's agent said. Why not just say right now Chris is trying to help the Raps get the season turned around and we will deal with his contract in the off season and leave it at that?

I've merged a couple of threads into one here.

If you've got anything in the vein of "CB4 is gonna leave us, the sky is falling, what should we do!?", this is the place for it.

Finally someone on this site who isn't high off crack. Bosh may leave, he may not. It all comes down to winning. If we're still loosing in 2 years, then we don't deserve to have a player like Bosh. If we're winning, then everything will be taken care of. Lets just wait and see...

Do your REALLY REALLY want to wait and see with Mitchell at the helm and Babcock in the engine room? What are the odds that we stop losing , even next season! Very little if you ask me! There are simply soo many more teams just BETTER than us , with better and hungrier players , much better coaching and management. If it would look like Bosh is going to leave , meaning him saying " I'm just exploring my options , but I'd like to stay in Toronto " = he's as good as gone! ; than we'd have to consider a trade and get value in return. There are a bunch of big men who could take his place: Yao of course , Gasol , Okafor , Dwight Howard , K-Mart .

"If we're winning..."

Who's on crack now?

Farmer is the greatest poster ever. You make me feel happy man. BOSH IS STAYING!!!! But will Charlie-V stay? interseting..

Why would anyone even remotely consider Villanueva's contract when he's not even 1/2 way into his rookie season and not getting starters minutes? We've yet to see the best from this guy (especially when he's in a lineup with a pass-first guard ALL the time(not most)).

You're assuming that the raptors will be losers for the rest of time. Eventually we will start winning games, and make the playoffs. Its just a matter of time. Its the cycle of sports.

Cleveland before LeBron. Miami before Wade and Shaq. Pheonix before Amare and Nash. Clippers and The Warriors we're both garbage before this year. The list could go on and on.

Some of you fail to realize that losing, eventually leads to winning...

I don't think we can know these things yet. A lot can change between now and 2007.

farmer is right, it's a very unlikely scenario that he would leave of his own accord. It's quite a process and involves turning down huge amounts of guaranteed money in the short term - or even taking a pay cut to play elsewhere when we are talking about a rookie's first big contract, not a vet that is winding down and wants a ring. The only situation he could really try to pull is to force a trade like JJ did this summer. But with JJ the Suns could afford to let him go, and to just try and figure out how to get something back in the sign and trade, it's not like Amare tried to get out. Bosh will find the context different, Toronto would likely match even if he did prefer to leave, like what happend with Elton Brand when he tried to sign with Miami. Brand adapted. I don't see Bosh as the Steve Francis type and I suspect he would just adapt as well.

All that said, it's possible Bosh gets traded not from his own demand but because the GM decides to go with CV at the 4 and get something else back. I'd personally prefer it the other way around (that CV gets traded), but this scenario is probably more likely than him taking a one year tender and then becoming an unrestricted FA.

This is very true. I found it really off-putting. Does he think he's playing some big time game with a small time franchise or something? Perhaps this franchise really needs to think about its reputation. Babcock did a phenomenal amount of damage with the Zo cave-in and the Vince trade. Pushy agents probably smell leverage, especially with Bosh.

For me I wouldn't mind the franchise thinking twice about just throwing the max at Bosh. I'd like to see that we can win some games first with him rather than act like someone so desparate they get into a relationship with the first person willing to give them attention. The last thing we need is another pseudo-franchise player. These fans sound like a battered wife worried that if they don't cook dinner right their deadbeat husband might leave them. The comparison isn't totally fair, as I think he has a really good chance to be worthy of a max contract, but he needs to show a bit more. You all need the self-respect to demand a bit more too rather than just worrying if he'll leave.

Remember one of the main reasons stated by Babcock when they took CV with first pick....He wants to be in Toronto! A player in the NBA who isn't Canadian wants to be in Toronto....Enough said.

Thanks libra - I wasn't aware that the raps qualifying offer had to be 1 year at the rookie scale. Sorry Fgrep.

That still means that Bosh stays here for 2 years minimum, and if he signs elsewhere he signs for less money.

And yes, charlie V is staying - for 4 more years minimum.

Show me proof that hes' leaving ... and don't mention Phil's comment, because I've heard them (Lakers & Phil) mention about 10 other free agents so far this year.

Personally, I think the chances of him leaving are slim to none, for a couple of reasons ....

- IF Toronto has to, they will offer him the max (but I hope they get him for less), and for most normal NBAers, the max is enough reason to stay with, or go play for any team, no matter how bad they were/are.

- The Raps have a lot of potential with Bosh and their rookies, which is already beginning to show.

- Bosh is the Raps "franchise" player. If he goes to any other team, he'll be 2nd or 3rd fiddle.

- Lastly, I think (but could be totally wrong) Bosh has more class than that, to just leave as soon as he gets his first chance. It's not like he's been playing for the Raps for the past 10 years, with every season like this one.

Alot can happen between now and when we really have to start worrying, so why worry now?

Yes, but remember in the recent posting his agent stated that there's more endorsement deals in the states...meaning if Bosh didn't take the Max and signed elswhere for less money he could still make more overall (like L.A.) on endorsements....

Ok, but he has Canadian endorsements that other players can't get. I saw him doing promos for Rogers Sportsnet. He will probably end up doing spots for Bell, Rogers and other Canadian stuff. Plus, he is endorsing Converse in America and up here.

Who is to say that if he went down south, that people would be interested in throwing a heap of deals his way? If anything, he would just become another player, and get nothing. At least up here, he's a star on Canada's only NBA franchise.

Endorsement money is not garanteed. If Bosh turns down the max and leaves $15M on the table I'll be stunned.

Which is why I'm hating pro sports more and more ....

THe thought of Bosh not getting the maw is hilarious. Anyone thinking he won't get offered the max by any team that can, is crazy.

Yeah, just ignore them, I just don't understand that sentiment. They're almost as senseless as the people who think that Bosh will re-sign with us because he has better "character" than Vince and T-Mac and he will do it out of the "goodness of his heart".

Bosh will resign with us because the NBA has made it more appealing for all-stars to resign with the team that drafts them. In addition to that, he has friends at the Best Buy in sherway, why would he leave that behind? The employees in the states aren't nearly as great as us canadians.

That's the bottom line. Lock this thread Johnny Weber!

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Toronto: Chris Bosh's agent, Henry Thomas, on his client: "He's extremely popular up there. But it's not L.A., it's not Chicago, it's not New York." Bosh probably would be the most sought-after player because most around the NBA don't believe he'll re-sign after his contract is up in 2007. Lakers coach Phil Jackson last week even wondered aloud about Bosh, said to be a Lakers' target when he's a free agent. But Toronto needs players on contracts, not cap room. Wonder if they'd take a No. 1, Tyson Chandler and Ben Gordon? It would be worth it also to take back Rose or any of their Williamses to get Bosh, who's going to be a major star. That's the guy I'd go for.

Bosh is staying, at least until he can get his contract. The difference between signing with the Raps and any other team is 22 million, which is why Redd and Allen stayed put. Bosh will sign here for the max.

However, that doesn't mean he won't force a trade a season after signing the deal. That is the most likely scenario. Unless, by then we're winning.

We'll get a pretty good idea as to his status at this year's draft. If Babcock picks LaMarcus Aldridge - another PF - he knows he can't keep Bosh.

VC got a sh!t load of endorsements while playing in Canada, so why can't Bosh?! If you're a good player it doesn't where you play, you will still get your endorsements.

If bosh leaves. Canada will no longer have an NBA team period.

here we go....

Of course he will. The point I was making was that I wouldn't be against at least thinking about not making ourselves that team. Probably it's fine. I am not saying he sucks, I am not saying he should be traded. Nor do I dislike him or anything of the sort. Just that I don't think he is above reproach and I don't object to the team thinking it through. In all likelihood his weaknesses are being amplified now due to the lousy construction of this team and the fact he is still young. He needs a centre next to him to provide an interior defensive presence. He probably needs a second 'franchise' quality player to pair with him as well (those don't have to be mutually exclusive) that doesn't play the same position. This is all potentially necessary in order to start to see his strengths result in wins. I'd also be concerned about his development under this coaching regime (which handles training and practices). He hasn't come together as a clear leader (even Swirsky admits this) nor much of a defensive presence. That doesn't mean he won't, just that those things should be monitored closely before deciding he's the saviour.