Here are Nash's stats:
YEAR MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG SPG TO PF PPG
96-97 10.5 .423 .418 .824 1.0 2.1 .31 .97 1.40 3.3
97-98 21.9 .459 .415 .860 2.1 3.4 .83 1.29 1.90 9.1
98-99 31.7 .363 .374 .826 2.9 5.5 .93 2.08 2.50 7.9
99-00 27.4 .477 .403 .882 2.2 4.9 .66 1.82 2.20 8.6
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Calderon
YEAR G MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG SPG TO PF PPG
05-06 21 29.1 .422 .161 .875 .2.8 6.2 .95 2.00 1.30 6.7
only 21 games in his career and he is rivalring with Nash's first 4 seasons in the NBA. Nash didn't start gettin double digits points before his 5th year and only had double doubles per game (PPG/APG) since last year.
But he needs to work on his shot though, especially the trey cuz he's not an offensive threat enough
Full Version: IMO Calderon = Future Nash
Statistically he's on his way ... but other than that you can never know how he'll turn out. Besides he's not the same player as Nash.
He needs to work on his pick and roll, and definately isn't as flashy as Nash. Needs work on transitional passes that are in the paint (threading the needle.. rarely see him do that.. then again we don't have a big man powerful enough to take advantage of it). Our offense isn't supporting Calderon's style anyway, if he had come here last year during our run and gun style offense, he would have capitalized on it a bit more.
He'll be like Nash when he learns how to shoot.
Right now he's more like a poor man's Rod Strickland.
Right now he's more like a poor man's Rod Strickland.
IMO Dee-zy = Future PBI
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IMO Dee-zy = Future PBI
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Nash know how to put the ball in the hoop from more than 2 feet away? More than I can say for jose.
QUOTE(grizz_4_life @ Dec 14 2005, 01:22 PM)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Nash know how to put the ball in the hoop from more than 2 feet away? More than I can say for jose.
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He does now, he didn't always.
QUOTE(grizz_4_life @ Dec 14 2005, 06:22 PM)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Nash know how to put the ball in the hoop from more than 2 feet away? More than I can say for jose.
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Um, what do you mean? I've seen Jose hit three pointers and 20 footers. He's no rookie Bonner, but he sinks enough shots and as he continues to develop, his shot will too.
Jose = Poor mans Tony Parker
Obviously Parker is more talented offensively, but they still play similar styles.
Obviously Parker is more talented offensively, but they still play similar styles.
Stats don't tell the whole story here. Note the differences in three-point shooting. It's unlikely that Calderon will ever be nearly as good a shooter as Nash, and that's what makes Nash so dangerous. He's a triple-threat on offence: shoot, drive or pass - he can kill you any of those ways. Shooting is a significant liability for Calderon right now.
QUOTE(Swirsk_Is_Back @ Dec 14 2005, 07:03 PM)
Jose = Poor mans Tony Parker
Does it mean Jose's wife = poor mans Eva Longoria?
Jose needs to learn how to shoot and watch out! Those passes though omg... I LOVE IT!
QUOTE(Dre @ Dec 14 2005, 07:47 AM)
IMO Dee-zy = Future PBI
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I don't see the resemblance, he seems pretty optimistic and delusional which resulted in this thread.
Jose Calderon is not a "poor man's" Tony Parker, he is a "broke man's" Tony Parker, except he's three years older than Parker, less assertive on offense, and gives you no defensive presense. I think he's a better passer than Parker already but his defense needs improvement. We also have to consider that he'll be 26 next year when he takes over the reigns at PG with no Mike James to help him, I don't have a good feeling about his long term development at least as a Raptor considering Ukic should be over here in two years.
QUOTE(PickedBeforeIggy @ Dec 14 2005, 04:46 PM)
We also have to consider that he'll be 26 next year when he takes over the reigns at PG with no Mike James to help him, I don't have a good feeling about his long term development at least as a Raptor considering Ukic should be over here in two years.
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Is 26 old? Sure, it's a little old for a rookie. But he should still be able to give us a good 6-8 years of basketball in his prime. Whether that's as a starter or backup remains to be seen.
The guy can run an offence, sees the floor better than any PG we've ever had in a Raps uniform, has shown an ability to drive to the hoop, and hits his free throws. I think it's time to focus on what he's bringing to the table, as opposed to trying to compare him -- favorably or unfavorably -- to the reigning NBA MVP.
^ good point bud
for some reason, when i see Calderon play, he looks like he needs to work on ball handling ...
he dribbles with one hand and feels uncomfortable dribbling with his left or putting it threw his leg..
just an observation
he dribbles with one hand and feels uncomfortable dribbling with his left or putting it threw his leg..
just an observation
balla wrote:
You are clearly confusing Calderon with Milton Palacio.
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for some reason, when i see Calderon play, he looks like he needs to work on ball handling ...
he dribbles with one hand and feels uncomfortable dribbling with his left or putting it threw his leg..
just an observation
he dribbles with one hand and feels uncomfortable dribbling with his left or putting it threw his leg..
just an observation
You are clearly confusing Calderon with Milton Palacio.
Calderon does remind me of Steve with the nonstop dribbling (in a good way) and the slick passes. He still has a long way to go though to ever reach his level. He's not even close to being a deadly shooter. Nash is the kinda guy who can take the ball up on a fast break, stop at the 3pt line and drain it. I would not trust Jose doing that. He also has to learn how to pass out of traffic better. Good ball handling and court vision but gotta learn how to finish better and with both hands (I've noticed that both Jose and JG tend to overshoot the fastbreak layup). I love his game though, definitely a keeper.
You guys are comparing the rookie Jose to the veteran, much older, MVP Steve Nash. Jose looks to have the potential to become a Steve Nash like player. RIGHT NOW he's a "poor-man's Tony Parker", but down the line he will be a "middle-class man's Steve Nash" because he has the court vision and he has the energizer dribble (keeps going and going), two things that are hard to teach. What he doesn't have is the deadly shot, or the one-hand runner in the lane - both those things you can teach with coaches and practice.
For the first time in my life, I have to agree with ForsakenMarz! 
QUOTE(forsakenMarz @ Dec 14 2005, 06:47 PM)
You guys are comparing the rookie Jose to the veteran, much older, MVP Steve Nash. Jose looks to have the potential to become a Steve Nash like player. RIGHT NOW he's a "poor-man's Tony Parker", but down the line he will be a "middle-class man's Steve Nash" because he has the court vision and he has the energizer dribble (keeps going and going), two things that are hard to teach. What he doesn't have is the deadly shot, or the one-hand runner in the lane - both those things you can teach with coaches and practice.
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Thank you! that's what I was saying. I am saying that a few years down the road, he has the potential to become Nash, or close anyways. That's why I compared Nash's early stats and Calderon's thus far.
I am in no way sayin that he is AS good as Nash [u]now[/b].
I see a lot of future in him. Even if he is an old rookie.
QUOTE(Swirsk_Is_Back @ Dec 14 2005, 11:49 PM)
For the first time in my life, I have to agree with ForsakenMarz!
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I don't know if you can compare the two. You have to remember Calderon already had International experience....and Nash had to play behind really good point guards, until he was given his chance....
But I'll concur that Calderon will be a good player...
But I'll concur that Calderon will be a good player...
Lock and Delete this thread.
QUOTE(pennington @ Dec 14 2005, 09:28 PM)
Lock and Delete this thread.
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I take it you watched the game tonight and aren't too pleased with Jose.
he just had a bad night..5 turnovers..but u live and learn..he is not steve nash now or even in the future..
Just in case you forgot, or didn't know, Nash was playing backup PG to Jason Kidd and Kevin Johnson.
A few other things to take notice of ... the MPG for each player, 10.5 for Nash compared to 29.1 for Calderone, and Calderone has (I think) more experience, having played for his national team, compared to Nash just coming out of Santa Clara.
A few other things to take notice of ... the MPG for each player, 10.5 for Nash compared to 29.1 for Calderone, and Calderone has (I think) more experience, having played for his national team, compared to Nash just coming out of Santa Clara.
QUOTE(Dee-Zy @ Dec 14 2005, 05:49 AM)
Here are Nash's stats:
YEAR MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG SPG TO PF PPG
96-97 10.5 .423 .418 .824 1.0 2.1 .31 .97 1.40 3.3
97-98 21.9 .459 .415 .860 2.1 3.4 .83 1.29 1.90 9.1
98-99 31.7 .363 .374 .826 2.9 5.5 .93 2.08 2.50 7.9
99-00 27.4 .477 .403 .882 2.2 4.9 .66 1.82 2.20 8.6
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Calderon
YEAR G MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG SPG TO PF PPG
05-06 21 29.1 .422 .161 .875 .2.8 6.2 .95 2.00 1.30 6.7
only 21 games in his career and he is rivalring with Nash's first 4 seasons in the NBA. Nash didn't start gettin double digits points before his 5th year and only had double doubles per game (PPG/APG) since last year.
But he needs to work on his shot though, especially the trey cuz he's not an offensive threat enough
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YEAR MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG SPG TO PF PPG
96-97 10.5 .423 .418 .824 1.0 2.1 .31 .97 1.40 3.3
97-98 21.9 .459 .415 .860 2.1 3.4 .83 1.29 1.90 9.1
98-99 31.7 .363 .374 .826 2.9 5.5 .93 2.08 2.50 7.9
99-00 27.4 .477 .403 .882 2.2 4.9 .66 1.82 2.20 8.6
VS
Calderon
YEAR G MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG SPG TO PF PPG
05-06 21 29.1 .422 .161 .875 .2.8 6.2 .95 2.00 1.30 6.7
only 21 games in his career and he is rivalring with Nash's first 4 seasons in the NBA. Nash didn't start gettin double digits points before his 5th year and only had double doubles per game (PPG/APG) since last year.
But he needs to work on his shot though, especially the trey cuz he's not an offensive threat enough
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