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The funniest part is; they don't have a 1st round pick this year. HAHAHA...PRICELESS
I hope they panic and make more bad trades. Not that its not entertaining as it is. I wouldn't be surprised if Larry starts having "health problems" again after about a dozen more losses.
it sucks that the knicks are just terrible and aren't gonna be good for a while. good basketball in new york is good for basketball in general, so it sucks that the ownership isn't capable of getting people that are capable of making a successful franchise
I got a question off the topic...
who is the raptors rival? is it the knicks? or is it 2 early 4 the raps 2 have a rival (10 yrs)
plz don't say the hawks
who is the raptors rival? is it the knicks? or is it 2 early 4 the raps 2 have a rival (10 yrs)
plz don't say the hawks
QUOTE(Ballahollic @ Dec 29 2005, 04:47 PM)
I got a question off the topic...
who is the raptors rival? is it the knicks? or is it 2 early 4 the raps 2 have a rival (10 yrs)
plz don't say the hawks
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who is the raptors rival? is it the knicks? or is it 2 early 4 the raps 2 have a rival (10 yrs)
plz don't say the hawks
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It's definitely the hawks.
before this season.. the hawks were no where near us.
we don't have rivals. Rivalries are made in the playoffs, and the raptors have only been in the playoffs 3 times.
and we've played the knicks the most in the playoffs
so would the knicks be our rival?? its the twenty-fifth century and the knicks are at the same level as us... once we stopped makin the playoffs so did they,, and we are in the same division (i think)
so would the knicks be our rival?? its the twenty-fifth century and the knicks are at the same level as us... once we stopped makin the playoffs so did they,, and we are in the same division (i think)
Teams that suck don't have rivalries.
Our rivals are Mccabi Tel Aviv.
76ers are raps rivals thus far.. what with that exciting 2001 playoff
Why are we laughing at the Knicks again? I don't get it.
$119 million
Hall of Fame Coach
Hall of Fame GM (as a player)
The "best point gaurd" since, hell...Moses, I don't know
Jerome James
No draft pick
Willingly traded a starting center for Malik Rose so the Spurs could win their championship
Their current record in the East
And theis sterling record right now
Hall of Fame Coach
Hall of Fame GM (as a player)
The "best point gaurd" since, hell...Moses, I don't know
Jerome James
No draft pick
Willingly traded a starting center for Malik Rose so the Spurs could win their championship
Their current record in the East
And theis sterling record right now
the knicks this year show me alot, such as
1-talent alone cannot get you wins. marbuiry, crawford, qrich, frye and curry is as athletic a starting 5 as any.
2-the knicks record, combined with flip saunders success this year, go to show that larry brown is the most overated coach in the nba.
1-talent alone cannot get you wins. marbuiry, crawford, qrich, frye and curry is as athletic a starting 5 as any.
2-the knicks record, combined with flip saunders success this year, go to show that larry brown is the most overated coach in the nba.
The way I see it, it doesn't really matter who coaches the Pistons, they'll still be good, and it doesn't matter who coaches the knicks, they'll still suck. Unless some changes happen.
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who is the raptors rival? is it the knicks? or is it 2 early 4 the raps 2 have a rival (10 yrs)
plz don't say the hawks
plz don't say the hawks
The Vancouver Grizzlies. Didn't you see the Naismith Cup this year?
QUOTE(Ballahollic @ Dec 29 2005, 04:47 PM)
I got a question off the topic...
who is the raptors rival? is it the knicks? or is it 2 early 4 the raps 2 have a rival (10 yrs)
plz don't say the hawks
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who is the raptors rival? is it the knicks? or is it 2 early 4 the raps 2 have a rival (10 yrs)
plz don't say the hawks
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Nets? I don't know, all I know is that everytime I watch the Nets I just want them to die. A pity though, cuz I have to admit that Kid-Jeff-Carter is a sick triangle, I like kid and jeff alot and I can't hate on Carter's skills, well yes. I can. f*** Carter.
ya, it's the nets for me. any success vince has just makes me hate him more
Wow, today's game for them against the Suns was pretty crazy...
Damn, the knicks are rolling. 4 in a row.
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Damn, the knicks are rolling. 4 in a row.
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Keeping that ball rolling means its easier to get Gay
In other news, just how good is Steve Nash? Compare him to Starbury for a second. Q's season high this year is 16. Sixteen.
hopefully we will be the team to end this winning streak 
QUOTE(llama @ Jan 10 2006, 11:17 PM)
Keeping that ball rolling means its easier to get Gay
In other news, just how good is Steve Nash? Compare him to Starbury for a second. Q's season high this year is 16. Sixteen.
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In other news, just how good is Steve Nash? Compare him to Starbury for a second. Q's season high this year is 16. Sixteen.
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well q's been hurt, they run a different offense and q doesn't have d'antoni. as good as steve nash is, he's in the perfect system for his skills, as was Q last year
QUOTE(Handsome_Boy @ Jan 10 2006, 08:27 PM)
well q's been hurt, they run a different offense and q doesn't have d'antoni. as good as steve nash is, he's in the perfect system for his skills, as was Q last year
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When referring to Q's skills, I assume you're talking about the ability to hurl the ball at the hoop from long range?
ya, in phoenix, he'd get tons of open looks and could just launch the three with reckless abandon. the fast pace also hid his defensive deficiencies. in new york, it ain't like that
The handsome one is correct.
Off topic, How about those Celtics? Boy oh boy, theyre screwed, people are always like oh their young player, theyre so good and so many of them , I disagree, Delonte West, Perkins, Tony Allen, #0, GG in the nbdl, Jefferson,none of them really impress me, Jefferson is ok but the rest of them will be career backups once they lose the "young" tag. Gerald Green=Qyntel Woods.
Off topic, How about those Celtics? Boy oh boy, theyre screwed, people are always like oh their young player, theyre so good and so many of them , I disagree, Delonte West, Perkins, Tony Allen, #0, GG in the nbdl, Jefferson,none of them really impress me, Jefferson is ok but the rest of them will be career backups once they lose the "young" tag. Gerald Green=Qyntel Woods.
Atlantic Division
New Jersey Nets
New York Knicks
76ers
Boston Celtics
Toronto Raptors
- From the teams in the Atlantic Division, it looks like the Raptors are the most promising in the long-term. Knicks, salary cap screwed up. Celtics have Jefferson,West,Allen (have potential) but it looks like they want to get rid of Pierce. 76ers, when Iverson retires they are back to rebuilding. Nets, Carter will go back into Wince mode and Kidd is getting old (Nenad Krstic is solic though)
Is it an overstatement if I say that the Raptors can dominate this division in 3 years time. Babcock has set a good core for the future, one more top ten draft pick/ and a few signings in summer 07'.... This team has 2 become good
New Jersey Nets
New York Knicks
76ers
Boston Celtics
Toronto Raptors
- From the teams in the Atlantic Division, it looks like the Raptors are the most promising in the long-term. Knicks, salary cap screwed up. Celtics have Jefferson,West,Allen (have potential) but it looks like they want to get rid of Pierce. 76ers, when Iverson retires they are back to rebuilding. Nets, Carter will go back into Wince mode and Kidd is getting old (Nenad Krstic is solic though)
Is it an overstatement if I say that the Raptors can dominate this division in 3 years time. Babcock has set a good core for the future, one more top ten draft pick/ and a few signings in summer 07'.... This team has 2 become good
QUOTE(Handsome_Boy @ Jan 11 2006, 11:09 AM)
ya, in phoenix, he'd get tons of open looks and could just launch the three with reckless abandon. the fast pace also hid his defensive deficiencies. in new york, it ain't like that
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He's still launching with reckless abandon, if you watch Knick games, he parks himself beyond the arc and fires away. Still getting lousy 1-9, 1-7, etc performances. It was Nash's penetration, not the faster offense that made Q better. But then again, a specialist like MoPete would average a hell of a lot more than Q if he were on PHX.
QUOTE(vanillashake @ Jan 11 2006, 11:26 AM)
The handsome one is correct.
Off topic, How about those Celtics? Boy oh boy, theyre screwed, people are always like oh their young player, theyre so good and so many of them , I disagree, Delonte West, Perkins, Tony Allen, #0, GG in the nbdl, Jefferson,none of them really impress me, Jefferson is ok but the rest of them will be career backups once they lose the "young" tag. Gerald Green=Qyntel Woods.
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Off topic, How about those Celtics? Boy oh boy, theyre screwed, people are always like oh their young player, theyre so good and so many of them , I disagree, Delonte West, Perkins, Tony Allen, #0, GG in the nbdl, Jefferson,none of them really impress me, Jefferson is ok but the rest of them will be career backups once they lose the "young" tag. Gerald Green=Qyntel Woods.
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I don't know, I watched the Celtics the other day against the mavs and West really impressed me. I never liked the guy (I Think he looks like a leprechaun, and the fact that he is all in green makes it even funnier), but that game was sick.
I don't see much of the hype for Jefferson either, but that's probably because he didn't play as much due to foul trouble. The other games I watched he was decent ... I have a feeling the media over hypes him though. I don't see him all-star material. I think Perkins is quite promising. He's comin a long quite nicely. I think he has improved dramatically. As far as Gerald Green being Qyntel Woods ... I think you are over exagerating. Haven't seen much of the guy but still...
anyone have any video of Antonio goin into the stands
^ It's nothing worth watching really, he just stood on a table, walked (literally, not ran) onto the stands and looked at his wife for two seconds.
I'm sorry but ...
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Inside the Knicks' locker room, where confusion and frustration reign, the players are fed up with Larry Brown beating them down privately and publicly, according to several team sources. That's why few players were sorry to see the coach ejected in the third quarter Tuesday night. According to a source, as Brown walked to the locker room, at least two players half-jokingly commented that the team was free to play how it wanted. -- New York Daily News
One Unamed Knicks player said to another unamed Knicks player after Brown's ejection: "Know we can start playing some ball" <-- or something like that.
Wow, they really need to fix there issues with there coach, or there getting nowhere.
If I'm Isaiah I pull off a bunch of deals, first I get Francis.
Then I get Kenyon.
Marbury, Francis, Jalen, Kenyon and Curry will be competitive, right now if Im in his shoes I bank the future for wins now. Since your cap is already screwed royally, you may as well say "fuk it" and take on more long contracts for your young guys and picks, IMO.
expiring Penny, expiring Mo Taylor, the Denver pick and Channing, Nate, David Lee should be able to accomplish that.
Then I get Kenyon.
Marbury, Francis, Jalen, Kenyon and Curry will be competitive, right now if Im in his shoes I bank the future for wins now. Since your cap is already screwed royally, you may as well say "fuk it" and take on more long contracts for your young guys and picks, IMO.
expiring Penny, expiring Mo Taylor, the Denver pick and Channing, Nate, David Lee should be able to accomplish that.
jalen rose totally cost the knicks the chance to win yesterday by not being able to get the ball inbounds with the 5 second rule... dayum larry brown look like he was going to combust!!! i guess new yorkers not going to be calling him captain crunch anytime soon!! first game he missed the 3 to give them the win next game he forgets that he can call a timeout and turns over the ball...
the knicks might as well go all in now, they can't really do anything else
the worst part is even if they end up with the worst record in the league they dont get the #1 pick it goes to the bulls thats just insane!!!
^^Ya I hate that, because I hate the Bulls. The way it's looking the Bulls might get no.1 pick, which means they get younger, and more talented players to come and torch us. Damn it. I hope Bulls trade that pick, because I hate seeing them succeed.
Why do the Knicks (more specifically Isiah) use their cap room and payroll as if they were playing NBA Live 06? Just when they're about to get cap room with Penny and AD coming off the books...they trade for even more contract in Jalen. I mean no disrespect to Jalen...but everyone knows that his contract is so inflated. And so now they're trying to get Kenyon (health problems) and Steve Francis (Starbury-type player). Man...I dunno what's going on with that team. All I can say that it started with that summer they decided to screw themselves by giving Allan Houston that $100 million contract (after which he never played at peak level) and I think they gave Clarence Weatherspoon...yes...that's right...Clarence Weatherspoon (and some other PF) b/t 40-60 million! (You might have to check me on that...but I do remember ridiculous signings coming out of there) Can you believe that? I can't even suggest a strategy for them in the future...cuz they have nothing going to the future (no draft picks, no cap relief...etc). Man...am I glad that Isiah isn't around here anymore...Can you imagine if he did that to the Raptors?
QUOTE(Mackdiddy_R @ Feb 10 2006, 08:26 AM)
Why do the Knicks (more specifically Isiah) use their cap room and payroll as if they were playing NBA Live 06? Just when they're about to get cap room with Penny and AD coming off the books...they trade for even more contract in Jalen. I mean no disrespect to Jalen...but everyone knows that his contract is so inflated. And so now they're trying to get Kenyon (health problems) and Steve Francis (Starbury-type player). Man...I dunno what's going on with that team. All I can say that it started with that summer they decided to screw themselves by giving Allan Houston that $100 million contract (after which he never played at peak level) and I think they gave Clarence Weatherspoon...yes...that's right...Clarence Weatherspoon (and some other PF) b/t 40-60 million! (You might have to check me on that...but I do remember ridiculous signings coming out of there) Can you believe that? I can't even suggest a strategy for them in the future...cuz they have nothing going to the future (no draft picks, no cap relief...etc). Man...am I glad that Isiah isn't around here anymore...Can you imagine if he did that to the Raptors?
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Because Isiah is karmic retribution to New York sports fans for all the success that the Yankees had in the late 90s.
He is not an actual person any more. He is the embodiment of spiritual sports vengeance.
The Eddy Curry deal may go down with the Herschel Walker deal as the worst of all time.
i think with the knicks, isiah has reached the point of no return, so he just needs to make wild deals like this. they're already insanely capped out and have no hope for rebuilding any time soon. he's got a fair amount of talented players, guys who could actually compete if they got it together. problem is that it hasn't worked, so now he's just tossing trades around until hopefully, something actually works and everything comes together. the team has post players, shooters, a good point guard and some decent young guys... it's something so my guess is that he's just trying to find that missing link to put his team to where he thinks it should be.
Its true, really his team cap is so over he may as well make wild deals and trade his penny and mo taylor contracts to teams who want expiring contracts.
Penny expiring contract is probably enough to get Steve Francis and Mo Taylors and David Lee are enough to get K-Mart. Francis and Kenyon are both bad contracts so hes giving Orlando and Denver mucho cap room and at the same time since he cant use it anytime soon, and Denver would love the extra jack and David Lee and maybe another cap filler to find another helper or Melo. Orlando would love the extra room to find Howard help.
Then all of a sudden Eddy Curry, Kenyon Martin, Jalen Rose, Steve Francis and Stephon Marbury is your new starting 5. Channing frye is 6th man and plays if Kmarts kness give him problems. This team isnt winning championships but theyd probably end the season playing over 500 ball and would likely win the atlantic next year, which is much better than what he has now.
Penny expiring contract is probably enough to get Steve Francis and Mo Taylors and David Lee are enough to get K-Mart. Francis and Kenyon are both bad contracts so hes giving Orlando and Denver mucho cap room and at the same time since he cant use it anytime soon, and Denver would love the extra jack and David Lee and maybe another cap filler to find another helper or Melo. Orlando would love the extra room to find Howard help.
Then all of a sudden Eddy Curry, Kenyon Martin, Jalen Rose, Steve Francis and Stephon Marbury is your new starting 5. Channing frye is 6th man and plays if Kmarts kness give him problems. This team isnt winning championships but theyd probably end the season playing over 500 ball and would likely win the atlantic next year, which is much better than what he has now.
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Then all of a sudden Eddy Curry, Kenyon Martin, Jalen Rose, Steve Francis and Stephon Marbury is your new starting 5. Channing frye is 6th man and plays if Kmarts kness give him problems. This team isnt winning championships but theyd probably end the season playing over 500 ball and would likely win the atlantic next year, which is much better than what he has now.
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If Steve Francis and Starbury are your backcourt...will the other players even touch the ball? There is a load of talent in that starting lineup...but can Francis and Starbury co-exist? I think each needs to have his own basketball while on the court. KMart is not the same player without JKidd. I really don't know. I mean I see that you guys are right in that the Knicks have to go wild with their trades and stuff...but I mean what happens if they do not succeed...
Oh yes...another thing...Although KMart is a decent defender...what about the other players...I mean good team defense implies trust and team chemistry...which I don't envision the knicks having for a while with the direction that they're headed.
Both Marbury and Francis are shot chuckers. So was TMac in his Orlando days when he wasn't injured, and in most part, so is BDiddy. Poor Fg percentages combined with team losses = not the right style of team play.
They would never get along with a big player of KG or Shaq's calibre, the bigman would call them out loss after loss. They've already assumed their roles as "franchise players", and their egos drive them. If you were to place them with a quality big man early on in their development (rookie/soph stage), then I would guarantee you would be looking at different players today.
They would never get along with a big player of KG or Shaq's calibre, the bigman would call them out loss after loss. They've already assumed their roles as "franchise players", and their egos drive them. If you were to place them with a quality big man early on in their development (rookie/soph stage), then I would guarantee you would be looking at different players today.
a guy taking a large volume of shots on a crappy team precipitates low shooting percentages. the more shots you take, the lower a shooting percentage you're probably gonna have, unless you're superman. t-mac ain't a chucker, he's just a scorer and scorers take ridiculous shots sometimes. flip murray is a chucker, toine is a chucker
QUOTE(Handsome_Boy @ Feb 12 2006, 11:12 PM)
a guy taking a large volume of shots on a crappy team precipitates low shooting percentages.
Um. Paul Pierce? He's on a relatively crappy team, in the top 10 of FGA. Chris Bosh also takes quite a few shots, and he's on a crappy team. Why aren't we hearing about their egos, even though they are NBA all-stars (superstars)?
well for one, pierce and bosh go inside more than t-mac or kobe. second, t-mac's "chucker" stats referenced from his orlando days are under the old "hand checking and grabbing are OK" rules... you think there's a coincidence of guards shooting over 50% in this season and last year and the changing rules? if u check efg%, i'm gonna guess that t-mac's or kobe's will be similar to bosh or pierce.
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