It seems that the reality show 'Ultimate Fighter' has spawned a new love for this sport... myself included.
Has it infected anyone else?
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It's like boxing without the class (and thats saying something).
PS: Easy on the threads.
PS: Easy on the threads.
I'm more of a backyard wrestling type of guy...
QUOTE(grizz_4_life @ Feb 1 2006, 04:38 PM)
PS: Easy on the threads.
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Sorry Grizzly Man, but isn't this thread for 'Other Sports'? Can i not start threads that don't involve Football (American), Baseball or Hockey? I'm not saying i'm going to start posting new threads about every sport in the world, but there are other sports then the 3 i just mentioned.
yeah, for sure. Ever since that show came on ive been an addict, that sh*ts XTREME
It's boring at times, but I like it.
QUOTE(Patrick Bateman @ Feb 1 2006, 02:02 PM)
Sorry Grizzly Man, but isn't this thread for 'Other Sports'? Can i not start threads that don't involve Football (American), Baseball or Hockey? I'm not saying i'm going to start posting new threads about every sport in the world, but there are other sports then the 3 i just mentioned.
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You're slowly making your way. I'm not trying to start any kind of argument with a new poster, I'm just trying to say not everything that pops into your head requires its own thread, that's all. I come in peace, really I do.
AWESOME!! Me and my buds are into it BIG TIME. One of them came over Sat night and we watched some past UFC's. I'm working Sat night, but i'll be downloading a torrent of it Sunday for a future viewing.
CHUCK LIDDEL RULEZ!!!!!
CHUCK LIDDEL RULEZ!!!!!
UFC blows (besides the WW division) PrideFC is where its at.
Fedor owns all.
I have followed it since UFC 1 and Pancarase the year before.
Fedor owns all.
I have followed it since UFC 1 and Pancarase the year before.
Its funny how most are all into martial arts but you NEVER see a guy from asia in it.
There's guys in China,Korea,Japan, that would wipe the floor with these muppets.
This is why Bruce Lee was killed, for bringing this to North America and commercializing it.
There's guys in China,Korea,Japan, that would wipe the floor with these muppets.
This is why Bruce Lee was killed, for bringing this to North America and commercializing it.
QUOTE(vanillashake @ Feb 1 2006, 11:26 PM)
Its funny how most are all into martial arts but you NEVER see a guy from asia in it.
There's guys in China,Korea,Japan, that would wipe the floor with these muppets.
This is why Bruce Lee was killed, for bringing this to North America and commercializing it.
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There's guys in China,Korea,Japan, that would wipe the floor with these muppets.
This is why Bruce Lee was killed, for bringing this to North America and commercializing it.
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I think Prides MW champion Wanderli Silva's record speaks for itself on that issue. The man has dominated every asian fighter there is, the only guy who gave him trouble was the olympic judo gold medalist Yoshida. The best japanese ever in MMA history Kazushi Sakuraba got totally molested by him, twice. As did the American Rampage Jackson who has beaten UFC poster boy Chuck the Iceman Lidell.
Like i said watch PrideFC or K-1, they are the two wealthiest MMA and kickboxing companies in the world they have all the top fighters, the events are held in Japan in front of up to 90,000 fans and their fighter base is as diverse as any.
Plus they dont fight in the stupid cage, in fact fight in a ring with stomps and soccer kicks to downed opponents allowed.
As for UFC they are billing their event following the one this weekend as Canada vs USA.
Montreals own George Saint Pierre and the Crow will be taking on season two coach and MW champ Rich Franklin and the previous WW champion BJ Penn.
Montreals own George Saint Pierre and the Crow will be taking on season two coach and MW champ Rich Franklin and the previous WW champion BJ Penn.
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yer missing the point, martial arts is not supposed to be used in this sense, so the few asian guys that do enter this competition are like girls entering porn, its rare and youre not seeing the hottest girls in porn, theyre hot but theres hotter girls that dont do it because it goes against their values, i hope u unerstandwhat i mean,
on another note, rich franklin is a bad mutha
yer missing the point, martial arts is not supposed to be used in this sense, so the few asian guys that do enter this competition are like girls entering porn, its rare and youre not seeing the hottest girls in porn, theyre hot but theres hotter girls that dont do it because it goes against their values, i hope u unerstandwhat i mean,
on another note, rich franklin is a bad mutha
QUOTE(grizz_4_life @ Feb 1 2006, 07:35 PM)
You're slowly making your way. I'm not trying to start any kind of argument with a new poster, I'm just trying to say not everything that pops into your head requires its own thread, that's all. I come in peace, really I do.
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Ok... but i'm starting a new thread... not to piss you off, but to get people's opinions of other sports. I'll only start one today
QUOTE(vanillashake @ Feb 2 2006, 09:47 AM)
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yer missing the point, martial arts is not supposed to be used in this sense, so the few asian guys that do enter this competition are like girls entering porn, its rare and youre not seeing the hottest girls in porn, theyre hot but theres hotter girls that dont do it because it goes against their values, i hope u unerstandwhat i mean,
on another note, rich franklin is a bad mutha
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yer missing the point, martial arts is not supposed to be used in this sense, so the few asian guys that do enter this competition are like girls entering porn, its rare and youre not seeing the hottest girls in porn, theyre hot but theres hotter girls that dont do it because it goes against their values, i hope u unerstandwhat i mean,
on another note, rich franklin is a bad mutha
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Maybe all the asian's are like ong bak who's sensi tell them never to use thier skills.
Anyway, who going to win this weekend?? The Iceman or the Natural?
And what about Royce Gracie entering the octagon again!?! WOW! Royce is going to send Matt on a train to auschwitz.
QUOTE(vanillashake @ Feb 2 2006, 09:47 AM)
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yer missing the point, martial arts is not supposed to be used in this sense, so the few asian guys that do enter this competition are like girls entering porn, its rare and youre not seeing the hottest girls in porn, theyre hot but theres hotter girls that dont do it because it goes against their values, i hope u unerstandwhat i mean,
on another note, rich franklin is a bad mutha
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yer missing the point, martial arts is not supposed to be used in this sense, so the few asian guys that do enter this competition are like girls entering porn, its rare and youre not seeing the hottest girls in porn, theyre hot but theres hotter girls that dont do it because it goes against their values, i hope u unerstandwhat i mean,
on another note, rich franklin is a bad mutha
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No you are missing the point. Have you ever seen K-1, Shoot, Pancarase, PrideFC, Inoki or Boom?
Mixed martial arts is huge in Asia, most of the athletes are asian. Brazil comes a distant second. The Americans are the ones who are only just getting into it and the european are following suit, with their great Sambo and Dutch kickboxing background.
QUOTE(Patrick Bateman @ Feb 2 2006, 02:56 PM)
Maybe all the asian's are like ong bak who's sensi tell them never to use thier skills.
Anyway, who going to win this weekend?? The Iceman or the Natural?
And what about Royce Gracie entering the octagon again!?! WOW! Royce is going to send Matt on a train to auschwitz.
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Anyway, who going to win this weekend?? The Iceman or the Natural?
And what about Royce Gracie entering the octagon again!?! WOW! Royce is going to send Matt on a train to auschwitz.
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Royce hasnt fought a real fight in ages. Since the early UFC days he has only fought in Japan under his own rules(limited striking, round lengths tailor made for JiuJitsu practioners and so on) yet he has put up shameful fights. He was so badly outclassed by Kazushi Sakuraba that after that beat down the Gracies became a joke in MMA as one dimensional grapplers unwilling to cross train. He also got owned big time by Yoshida in their first meeting. Point being Royce is one dimensional, has not been active, has fought under his own rules and has had limited success.
Hughes on the other hand, has fought anyone and everyone their is to fight at 170 lbs, has done very well, is in his prime and will fight Royce in rules that suit his style best.
Hughes should win this match 97 times out of 100. Royce still has a 3% chance since anyone can make a mistake and get caught in a slick sub.
This match is just a marketing move, to make Hughes a legend, by beating a legend. It should bring back memories of the accused 'work' they had on the first TUF season final between Rich Franklin and Ken Shamrock.
Edit: Ufc cant protect Hughes for long though since Canada's GSP http://mmareview.com/FProfiles/profile-georges_st_pierre.htm is going to get his rematch soon and he will bring the title to Quebec. Hopefully so will his team mate The Crow who is battling Rich Franklin in March.
QUOTE(mjfan23 @ Feb 2 2006, 09:41 AM)
I think Prides MW champion Wanderli Silva's record speaks for itself on that issue. The man has dominated every asian fighter there is, the only guy who gave him trouble was the olympic judo gold medalist Yoshida. The best japanese ever in MMA history Kazushi Sakuraba got totally molested by him, twice. As did the American Rampage Jackson who has beaten UFC poster boy Chuck the Iceman Lidell.
Like i said watch PrideFC or K-1, they are the two wealthiest MMA and kickboxing companies in the world they have all the top fighters, the events are held in Japan in front of up to 90,000 fans and their fighter base is as diverse as any.
Plus they dont fight in the stupid cage, in fact fight in a ring with stomps and soccer kicks to downed opponents allowed.
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Like i said watch PrideFC or K-1, they are the two wealthiest MMA and kickboxing companies in the world they have all the top fighters, the events are held in Japan in front of up to 90,000 fans and their fighter base is as diverse as any.
Plus they dont fight in the stupid cage, in fact fight in a ring with stomps and soccer kicks to downed opponents allowed.
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I come from a family of martial artists, two of my cousins have olympic medals.
Martial arts in its truest form does not promote this. Anyone who has taken it understands that.
Lets see world Sambo champions promote this? Check
Jiu-Jitsu champions? Check
Olympic judo gold medalist? Check
Ninjas? Check
Sumos? Check
Olympic wrestling gold medalists? Check
World Muay Thai champs? Check
Boxing champs? Check
Tae Kwon Do champs? Check
Karate champs? Check
Vanilla Shake? NOT
So yeah i guess you are right and all those hunderds of other guys must be plain confused.
The reason some martial artists dont like the idea of MMA is because they dont cross train enough and that their arts get exposed for being one dimensional really quickly by more well rounded fighters who practice many different arts.
Jiu-Jitsu champions? Check
Olympic judo gold medalist? Check
Ninjas? Check
Sumos? Check
Olympic wrestling gold medalists? Check
World Muay Thai champs? Check
Boxing champs? Check
Tae Kwon Do champs? Check
Karate champs? Check
Vanilla Shake? NOT
So yeah i guess you are right and all those hunderds of other guys must be plain confused.
The reason some martial artists dont like the idea of MMA is because they dont cross train enough and that their arts get exposed for being one dimensional really quickly by more well rounded fighters who practice many different arts.
martial arts in its core is about the ying and the yang, the mind in harmony with the body yada yada yada. Yoga is a martial art.
This is why Bruce Lee was wacked because he was the pioneer of martial arts to the west with his movies. From Karate kid to blooodsport all that is his creation directly or indirectly. I'm not saying i'm against UFC, i find it mildly entertaining but this is why Bruce Lee was killed because the old schoolers knew this is what the result of his actions would entail. America fell in love with it, thats why you have UFC. This is an american creation and since they have been the ruling empire in the world over the pat 60 years , that is why this UFC has spread worldwide.
There are men in Asia who know each and every pressure point on one's body and could kill these guys in a heartbeat. This isn't a sport like basketball or hockey where the best in the world compete. There's guys out there who would kill them in 2 seconds. Not every person involved within martial arts strives to be the UFC champion of the world.
This is why Bruce Lee was wacked because he was the pioneer of martial arts to the west with his movies. From Karate kid to blooodsport all that is his creation directly or indirectly. I'm not saying i'm against UFC, i find it mildly entertaining but this is why Bruce Lee was killed because the old schoolers knew this is what the result of his actions would entail. America fell in love with it, thats why you have UFC. This is an american creation and since they have been the ruling empire in the world over the pat 60 years , that is why this UFC has spread worldwide.
There are men in Asia who know each and every pressure point on one's body and could kill these guys in a heartbeat. This isn't a sport like basketball or hockey where the best in the world compete. There's guys out there who would kill them in 2 seconds. Not every person involved within martial arts strives to be the UFC champion of the world.
Again you are plain wrong. UFC is not an american invention it was a brazilian invention and UFC isnt popular around the world. PrideFC and K-1 both Japanese companies are ten fold more popular and lucrative. So please get your facts straight. UFC was actually banned by the US government, John McCain in particular.
And UFC wasnt the first MMA event, Pancarse was around even before it and Vale Tudo even before that. Bruce Lee was influenical and all but not to the point where some one needed to wack him. Heck he never even fought the best fighters of his time and nor was his functional strength(based on his workouts) all that impressive. Yes he had charisma and fan appeal unlike any at that time, but that alone is worth wacking him.
You are over and over stating your confused opinion and backing it up with contradictory conspiracies. You should just stop commenting on something you know nothing about, and try to learn a bit more.
And UFC wasnt the first MMA event, Pancarse was around even before it and Vale Tudo even before that. Bruce Lee was influenical and all but not to the point where some one needed to wack him. Heck he never even fought the best fighters of his time and nor was his functional strength(based on his workouts) all that impressive. Yes he had charisma and fan appeal unlike any at that time, but that alone is worth wacking him.
You are over and over stating your confused opinion and backing it up with contradictory conspiracies. You should just stop commenting on something you know nothing about, and try to learn a bit more.
QUOTE(vanillashake @ Feb 3 2006, 12:09 AM)
martial arts in its core is about the ying and the yang, the mind in harmony with the body yada yada yada. Yoga is a martial art.
This is why Bruce Lee was wacked because he was the pioneer of martial arts to the west with his movies. From Karate kid to blooodsport all that is his creation directly or indirectly. I'm not saying i'm against UFC, i find it mildly entertaining but this is why Bruce Lee was killed because the old schoolers knew this is what the result of his actions would entail. America fell in love with it, thats why you have UFC. This is an american creation and since they have been the ruling empire in the world over the pat 60 years , that is why this UFC has spread worldwide.
There are men in Asia who know each and every pressure point on one's body and could kill these guys in a heartbeat. This isn't a sport like basketball or hockey where the best in the world compete. There's guys out there who would kill them in 2 seconds. Not every person involved within martial arts strives to be the UFC champion of the world.
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This is why Bruce Lee was wacked because he was the pioneer of martial arts to the west with his movies. From Karate kid to blooodsport all that is his creation directly or indirectly. I'm not saying i'm against UFC, i find it mildly entertaining but this is why Bruce Lee was killed because the old schoolers knew this is what the result of his actions would entail. America fell in love with it, thats why you have UFC. This is an american creation and since they have been the ruling empire in the world over the pat 60 years , that is why this UFC has spread worldwide.
There are men in Asia who know each and every pressure point on one's body and could kill these guys in a heartbeat. This isn't a sport like basketball or hockey where the best in the world compete. There's guys out there who would kill them in 2 seconds. Not every person involved within martial arts strives to be the UFC champion of the world.
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Yoga in it's true un-raped/un-american form is one of a few factors towards achieving enlightenment/freedom from the cycle of life/death in Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, and so on.
Martial Arts in its core is about meditation and self-discipline.
It is incorrect to consider the "true" yoga a martial art. You could be correct in stating the Americanized yoga (the exercise) shares similar meditative techniques re: mind/body, etc.
QUOTE(mjfan23 @ Feb 3 2006, 12:23 AM)
Again you are plain wrong. UFC is not an american invention it was a brazilian invention and UFC isnt popular around the world. PrideFC and K-1 both Japanese companies are ten fold more popular and lucrative. So please get your facts straight. UFC was actually banned by the US government, John McCain in particular.
And UFC wasnt the first MMA event, Pancarse was around even before it and Vale Tudo even before that. Bruce Lee was influenical and all but not to the point where some one needed to wack him. Heck he never even fought the best fighters of his time and nor was his functional strength(based on his workouts) all that impressive. Yes he had charisma and fan appeal unlike any at that time, but that alone is worth wacking him.
You are over and over stating your confused opinion and backing it up with contradictory conspiracies. You should just stop commenting on something you know nothing about, and try to learn a bit more.
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And UFC wasnt the first MMA event, Pancarse was around even before it and Vale Tudo even before that. Bruce Lee was influenical and all but not to the point where some one needed to wack him. Heck he never even fought the best fighters of his time and nor was his functional strength(based on his workouts) all that impressive. Yes he had charisma and fan appeal unlike any at that time, but that alone is worth wacking him.
You are over and over stating your confused opinion and backing it up with contradictory conspiracies. You should just stop commenting on something you know nothing about, and try to learn a bit more.
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This is why people got pissed off that martial arts became so big in north aamerica, because confused fight frenzied little kids thought it was all about fighting.
You know more about combat sport than me, but not the true meaning of martial arts. You watched too many van damme movies. In its core that is not what its about, thats my argument, UFC K-1, pridefc and all that is the same to me, you keep swaying your argument in a completely different direction than what im talking about. im not trying to spit my knowledge on combat sport, what im saying is this is not the intentions of monks 1000 yrs ago.
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Yoga in it's true un-raped/un-american form is one of a few factors towards achieving enlightenment/freedom from the cycle of life/death in Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, and so on.
Martial Arts in its core is about meditation and self-discipline.
It is incorrect to consider the "true" yoga a martial art. You could be correct in stating the Americanized yoga (the exercise) shares similar meditative techniques re: mind/body, etc.
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Martial Arts in its core is about meditation and self-discipline.
It is incorrect to consider the "true" yoga a martial art. You could be correct in stating the Americanized yoga (the exercise) shares similar meditative techniques re: mind/body, etc.
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Ok thanx Mr. Mishagi, forgiveness please.
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It's cool.
Do you do martial arts yourself (since it's in your family)? What belt? Any interest in the Brazilian dance form capoeira?
It's cool.
Do you do martial arts yourself (since it's in your family)? What belt? Any interest in the Brazilian dance form capoeira?
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It's cool.
Do you do martial arts yourself (since it's in your family)? What belt? Any interest in the Brazilian dance form capoeira?
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It's cool.
Do you do martial arts yourself (since it's in your family)? What belt? Any interest in the Brazilian dance form capoeira?
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nope on alll 3 accounts.
QUOTE(vanillashake @ Feb 3 2006, 12:31 AM)
This is why people got pissed off that martial arts became so big in north aamerica, because confused fight frenzied little kids thought it was all about fighting.
You know more about combat sport than me, but not the true meaning of martial arts. You watched too many van damme movies. In its core that is not what its about, thats my argument, UFC K-1, pridefc and all that is the same to me, you keep swaying your argument in a completely different direction than what im talking about. im not trying to spit my knowledge on combat sport, what im saying is this is not the intentions of monks 1000 yrs ago.
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You know more about combat sport than me, but not the true meaning of martial arts. You watched too many van damme movies. In its core that is not what its about, thats my argument, UFC K-1, pridefc and all that is the same to me, you keep swaying your argument in a completely different direction than what im talking about. im not trying to spit my knowledge on combat sport, what im saying is this is not the intentions of monks 1000 yrs ago.
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Dude how am i swaying the argument around? You said true practioners dont praticipate in it, even though dozen of olympic gold medalists, world champions and national champions do.
Later you suggested UFC was a creation of USA to take over the world, which is a lie since US government actually banned it and Brazililan started UFC not americans.
Later you suggest people confuse matrials arts with fighting, not true. NHB (No hold barred) events are different from martial arts, and every fan at least the ones like me who have followed the sport since the early 90s know the difference. Thats why we also follow Sambo, and judo championships, the ADCC championship and watch every time the Shaolin Monks travel to our cities.
Before that you suggested Asians arent active in the sport without having any knowledge of the history of MMA contests in Japan and Korea. Not to mention the Vale Tudo events in Thailand.
Are all arts about eternal peace? Please Wrestling is an art, whats enligthening about being on top of another dude? Dont confuse Yoga and Kungfu and such which use relaxation methods and energy channelling methods as being the standard for all arts, their are 100s of arts and only a mere few of them represent relaxation and such.
This thread is about UFC so instead of spreading misinfomation about UFC and MMA as a whole why dont you start a yoga thread else where? I would love to learn the methods discussed in that thread.
Relax, calm down.
All Im saying is martial arts isn't all about beating people up. The goal of it in its root is of self not of destruction of others.
If you agree with me then cool. If not, then youre misinformed.
All Im saying is martial arts isn't all about beating people up. The goal of it in its root is of self not of destruction of others.
If you agree with me then cool. If not, then youre misinformed.
QUOTE(mjfan23 @ Feb 2 2006, 08:57 PM)
Royce hasnt fought a real fight in ages. Since the early UFC days he has only fought in Japan under his own rules(limited striking, round lengths tailor made for JiuJitsu practioners and so on) yet he has put up shameful fights. He was so badly outclassed by Kazushi Sakuraba that after that beat down the Gracies became a joke in MMA as one dimensional grapplers unwilling to cross train. He also got owned big time by Yoshida in their first meeting. Point being Royce is one dimensional, has not been active, has fought under his own rules and has had limited success.
Hughes on the other hand, has fought anyone and everyone their is to fight at 170 lbs, has done very well, is in his prime and will fight Royce in rules that suit his style best.
Hughes should win this match 97 times out of 100. Royce still has a 3% chance since anyone can make a mistake and get caught in a slick sub.
This match is just a marketing move, to make Hughes a legend, by beating a legend. It should bring back memories of the accused 'work' they had on the first TUF season final between Rich Franklin and Ken Shamrock.
Edit: Ufc cant protect Hughes for long though since Canada's GSP http://mmareview.com/FProfiles/profile-georges_st_pierre.htm is going to get his rematch soon and he will bring the title to Quebec. Hopefully so will his team mate The Crow who is battling Rich Franklin in March.
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Hughes on the other hand, has fought anyone and everyone their is to fight at 170 lbs, has done very well, is in his prime and will fight Royce in rules that suit his style best.
Hughes should win this match 97 times out of 100. Royce still has a 3% chance since anyone can make a mistake and get caught in a slick sub.
This match is just a marketing move, to make Hughes a legend, by beating a legend. It should bring back memories of the accused 'work' they had on the first TUF season final between Rich Franklin and Ken Shamrock.
Edit: Ufc cant protect Hughes for long though since Canada's GSP http://mmareview.com/FProfiles/profile-georges_st_pierre.htm is going to get his rematch soon and he will bring the title to Quebec. Hopefully so will his team mate The Crow who is battling Rich Franklin in March.
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Good points. If Royce can bring Hughes to the ground, i think he'll win, otherwise i think you're right.
Results of Liddel vs Coulture....
DO NOT READ IF YOU DONT WANT TO KNOW!!!!!
From http://www.mmafighting.com/results/2006/uf..._couture_3.html
CHUCK RULEZ!!!!!!
DO NOT READ IF YOU DONT WANT TO KNOW!!!!!
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Round 1: Randy is grinning and Chuck is serious. Ken Shamrock is at ringside. Man, I can't believe the great crowd ovation for Randy. Chuck does the X arm sign for Xyience (I'm not kidding) and gets a good crowd response. Tito Ortiz is at ringside.
Here we go!!!!!!!!
They are circling in the center with Randy stalking. Crowd chanting huge for Randy and nothing has happened. Chuck feels out Randy with short lefts and Randy covers up. Randy lands a left jab. Both fighters are tentative and measuring up. Chuck throws a miss. Randy is covering up high. Chuck misses a jab, Randy misses a right. Right by Randy, no damage. Left by Randy, no damage. Chuck misses uppercut. Both are patient as crowd chants for Randy. Chuck lands a right. Randy is not shooting in, but is boxing tight like the first fight. Left by Randy. Left kick by Chuck. Chuck feints hoping randy comes in; Randy does and lands a right. Both tag each other, Chuck lands a big uppercut and Randy takes Chuck down! Chuck bounces right back up, but has Chuck in side contr4ol on the fence! Crowd chanting Randy huge.
Randy is bleeding badly. No punch looked bad but there is blood all over Chuck from Randy. End round 1, and I give rd 1 to Randy. Small cut over Randy's left eye.
Round 2: Now crowd chants for Chuck.
Randy lands a right as Chuck circles the outside. Nice left by Randy, big right by Chuck. Chuck has landed a couple of hard hands in the fight but Randy hasn't flinched. Randy is down and out. Chuck lands a huge punch just like the second fight and finishes it on the ground. Chuck wins in round 2 by KO.
Here we go!!!!!!!!
They are circling in the center with Randy stalking. Crowd chanting huge for Randy and nothing has happened. Chuck feels out Randy with short lefts and Randy covers up. Randy lands a left jab. Both fighters are tentative and measuring up. Chuck throws a miss. Randy is covering up high. Chuck misses a jab, Randy misses a right. Right by Randy, no damage. Left by Randy, no damage. Chuck misses uppercut. Both are patient as crowd chants for Randy. Chuck lands a right. Randy is not shooting in, but is boxing tight like the first fight. Left by Randy. Left kick by Chuck. Chuck feints hoping randy comes in; Randy does and lands a right. Both tag each other, Chuck lands a big uppercut and Randy takes Chuck down! Chuck bounces right back up, but has Chuck in side contr4ol on the fence! Crowd chanting Randy huge.
Randy is bleeding badly. No punch looked bad but there is blood all over Chuck from Randy. End round 1, and I give rd 1 to Randy. Small cut over Randy's left eye.
Round 2: Now crowd chants for Chuck.
Randy lands a right as Chuck circles the outside. Nice left by Randy, big right by Chuck. Chuck has landed a couple of hard hands in the fight but Randy hasn't flinched. Randy is down and out. Chuck lands a huge punch just like the second fight and finishes it on the ground. Chuck wins in round 2 by KO.
From http://www.mmafighting.com/results/2006/uf..._couture_3.html
CHUCK RULEZ!!!!!!
Expected the fight to turn out this way. I'm glad Randy lost and that we'll get to have some younger guys move up. Then again... the light heavyweight division doesn't seem to have that much talent (I'll probably corrected on this...) when you have guys like Forrest Griffin and Stephan Bonnar with some of the best records.
Jeffster - here to correct you: records don't mean a whole lot in MMA...a lot of top fighters have relatively modest records at the top events, and extremely good ones at the lower levels.
i.e. when mjfan23 was saying how good Wanderlei was, his record is very misleading. He's beat up a lot of Japanese cans (term used for lesser fighters used to pump up better ones - think the Raps through the first 15 odd games of the year), and won questionable decisions against Yoshida and now Ricardo Arona. He's also lost to Mark Hunt as an aside.
And bringing up Sakuraba while talking about how great Silva is just isn't legit either...Sakuraba's extremely small for a 205 fighter, as has been shown in his last host of fights at that weight. If Sakuraba had spent the time fighting at 185 or 170 or whatever, he would have fared much better. Also, Rampage's win over Liddell was what, 3 years ago? Don't use that as evidence that Silva would dominate Liddell by that weak logic puzzle that uses outdated info. So much has happened to both fighters since then. Silva and Liddell in 2006 would be a phenomenal fight that will never happen.
As for Vanillashake - I both agree and disagree with you.
"All Im saying is martial arts isn't all about beating people up. The goal of it in its root is of self not of destruction of others."
This idea isn't entirely true in and of itself. Martial arts like Muay Thai, which is what I'm proficient in, is an art primarily for self-defence (in addition to being Thailand's national pastime). It lends itself very well to MMA events, which is why it is the strinking art that is used by many fighters. Though it is different in various countries, my Kru uses the art as a means of self-defence - there's very little spirituality involved. That being said, it is a relatively accurate generalization about martial arts.
And don't call anyone uninformed when you lump all the various fighting organizations together. K-1 events generally attract the best strikers in the world, like Semmy Schilt, Remy Bojansky, etc., whereas UFC, Pride, and to a lesser extent smaller shows like KOTC, Heroes, and ROTC, attract MMA fighters which means grappling as well as striking.
And to what you both were saying about Asian fighters - mjfan, you only mentioned higher weight classes. There's a good reason for that: Asians are just generally too small. If you look at the lighter weight classes, the top 10 are populated by names like Gomi, Yamamoto, Sakurai, Sudo, and Kawajiri. Asians fighting at the natural (society wise) size do extremely, extremely well against foreign competition.
170lb and up though, I feel as a broad generalization, Occidentals produce stronger, tougher fighters as they are drawing from a much larger stock of the population (go to Asia...if you're over 5'9 and 170lb you'll be seeing the tops of most everyone's heads and look like you're built like a Mack truck compared to a lot of Asians).
And yes, I'm fairly passionate about fight sports, which is pretty obvious.
i.e. when mjfan23 was saying how good Wanderlei was, his record is very misleading. He's beat up a lot of Japanese cans (term used for lesser fighters used to pump up better ones - think the Raps through the first 15 odd games of the year), and won questionable decisions against Yoshida and now Ricardo Arona. He's also lost to Mark Hunt as an aside.
And bringing up Sakuraba while talking about how great Silva is just isn't legit either...Sakuraba's extremely small for a 205 fighter, as has been shown in his last host of fights at that weight. If Sakuraba had spent the time fighting at 185 or 170 or whatever, he would have fared much better. Also, Rampage's win over Liddell was what, 3 years ago? Don't use that as evidence that Silva would dominate Liddell by that weak logic puzzle that uses outdated info. So much has happened to both fighters since then. Silva and Liddell in 2006 would be a phenomenal fight that will never happen.
As for Vanillashake - I both agree and disagree with you.
"All Im saying is martial arts isn't all about beating people up. The goal of it in its root is of self not of destruction of others."
This idea isn't entirely true in and of itself. Martial arts like Muay Thai, which is what I'm proficient in, is an art primarily for self-defence (in addition to being Thailand's national pastime). It lends itself very well to MMA events, which is why it is the strinking art that is used by many fighters. Though it is different in various countries, my Kru uses the art as a means of self-defence - there's very little spirituality involved. That being said, it is a relatively accurate generalization about martial arts.
And don't call anyone uninformed when you lump all the various fighting organizations together. K-1 events generally attract the best strikers in the world, like Semmy Schilt, Remy Bojansky, etc., whereas UFC, Pride, and to a lesser extent smaller shows like KOTC, Heroes, and ROTC, attract MMA fighters which means grappling as well as striking.
And to what you both were saying about Asian fighters - mjfan, you only mentioned higher weight classes. There's a good reason for that: Asians are just generally too small. If you look at the lighter weight classes, the top 10 are populated by names like Gomi, Yamamoto, Sakurai, Sudo, and Kawajiri. Asians fighting at the natural (society wise) size do extremely, extremely well against foreign competition.
170lb and up though, I feel as a broad generalization, Occidentals produce stronger, tougher fighters as they are drawing from a much larger stock of the population (go to Asia...if you're over 5'9 and 170lb you'll be seeing the tops of most everyone's heads and look like you're built like a Mack truck compared to a lot of Asians).
And yes, I'm fairly passionate about fight sports, which is pretty obvious.
QUOTE(thorbs @ Feb 7 2006, 05:52 PM)
Jeffster - here to correct you: records don't mean a whole lot in MMA...a lot of top fighters have relatively modest records at the top events, and extremely good ones at the lower levels.
i.e. when mjfan23 was saying how good Wanderlei was, his record is very misleading. He's beat up a lot of Japanese cans (term used for lesser fighters used to pump up better ones - think the Raps through the first 15 odd games of the year), and won questionable decisions against Yoshida and now Ricardo Arona. He's also lost to Mark Hunt as an aside.
And bringing up Sakuraba while talking about how great Silva is just isn't legit either...Sakuraba's extremely small for a 205 fighter, as has been shown in his last host of fights at that weight. If Sakuraba had spent the time fighting at 185 or 170 or whatever, he would have fared much better. Also, Rampage's win over Liddell was what, 3 years ago? Don't use that as evidence that Silva would dominate Liddell by that weak logic puzzle that uses outdated info. So much has happened to both fighters since then. Silva and Liddell in 2006 would be a phenomenal fight that will never happen.
As for Vanillashake - I both agree and disagree with you.
"All Im saying is martial arts isn't all about beating people up. The goal of it in its root is of self not of destruction of others."
This idea isn't entirely true in and of itself. Martial arts like Muay Thai, which is what I'm proficient in, is an art primarily for self-defence (in addition to being Thailand's national pastime). It lends itself very well to MMA events, which is why it is the strinking art that is used by many fighters. Though it is different in various countries, my Kru uses the art as a means of self-defence - there's very little spirituality involved. That being said, it is a relatively accurate generalization about martial arts.
And don't call anyone uninformed when you lump all the various fighting organizations together. K-1 events generally attract the best strikers in the world, like Semmy Schilt, Remy Bojansky, etc., whereas UFC, Pride, and to a lesser extent smaller shows like KOTC, Heroes, and ROTC, attract MMA fighters which means grappling as well as striking.
And to what you both were saying about Asian fighters - mjfan, you only mentioned higher weight classes. There's a good reason for that: Asians are just generally too small. If you look at the lighter weight classes, the top 10 are populated by names like Gomi, Yamamoto, Sakurai, Sudo, and Kawajiri. Asians fighting at the natural (society wise) size do extremely, extremely well against foreign competition.
170lb and up though, I feel as a broad generalization, Occidentals produce stronger, tougher fighters as they are drawing from a much larger stock of the population (go to Asia...if you're over 5'9 and 170lb you'll be seeing the tops of most everyone's heads and look like you're built like a Mack truck compared to a lot of Asians).
And yes, I'm fairly passionate about fight sports, which is pretty obvious.
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i.e. when mjfan23 was saying how good Wanderlei was, his record is very misleading. He's beat up a lot of Japanese cans (term used for lesser fighters used to pump up better ones - think the Raps through the first 15 odd games of the year), and won questionable decisions against Yoshida and now Ricardo Arona. He's also lost to Mark Hunt as an aside.
And bringing up Sakuraba while talking about how great Silva is just isn't legit either...Sakuraba's extremely small for a 205 fighter, as has been shown in his last host of fights at that weight. If Sakuraba had spent the time fighting at 185 or 170 or whatever, he would have fared much better. Also, Rampage's win over Liddell was what, 3 years ago? Don't use that as evidence that Silva would dominate Liddell by that weak logic puzzle that uses outdated info. So much has happened to both fighters since then. Silva and Liddell in 2006 would be a phenomenal fight that will never happen.
As for Vanillashake - I both agree and disagree with you.
"All Im saying is martial arts isn't all about beating people up. The goal of it in its root is of self not of destruction of others."
This idea isn't entirely true in and of itself. Martial arts like Muay Thai, which is what I'm proficient in, is an art primarily for self-defence (in addition to being Thailand's national pastime). It lends itself very well to MMA events, which is why it is the strinking art that is used by many fighters. Though it is different in various countries, my Kru uses the art as a means of self-defence - there's very little spirituality involved. That being said, it is a relatively accurate generalization about martial arts.
And don't call anyone uninformed when you lump all the various fighting organizations together. K-1 events generally attract the best strikers in the world, like Semmy Schilt, Remy Bojansky, etc., whereas UFC, Pride, and to a lesser extent smaller shows like KOTC, Heroes, and ROTC, attract MMA fighters which means grappling as well as striking.
And to what you both were saying about Asian fighters - mjfan, you only mentioned higher weight classes. There's a good reason for that: Asians are just generally too small. If you look at the lighter weight classes, the top 10 are populated by names like Gomi, Yamamoto, Sakurai, Sudo, and Kawajiri. Asians fighting at the natural (society wise) size do extremely, extremely well against foreign competition.
170lb and up though, I feel as a broad generalization, Occidentals produce stronger, tougher fighters as they are drawing from a much larger stock of the population (go to Asia...if you're over 5'9 and 170lb you'll be seeing the tops of most everyone's heads and look like you're built like a Mack truck compared to a lot of Asians).
And yes, I'm fairly passionate about fight sports, which is pretty obvious.
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Firstly Silvas record isnt inflated since the cans rep he gets applies even more so to the UFC fighters since they have weaker divisions which are now getting filled with TUF nobodies. Chuck had his chance he came to Pride was getting run over by Overeem before he gassed(as Overeem mostly does) and than got his rear handed to him by Page fair and sqaure. Chucks only Big ones are against a then unpolished Babalu, worlds most overrated 14-8 fighter of alltime Randy, a never has been the same since his sister got kidnapped Vitor, a nothing special Jeremy Horn, a good fighter with an ability to always come up short in big fights Mezger, and a Tito Ortiz who was in decline(as evidenced by his fights against Randy and Vitor) and out of elememt. You say Silva had trouble with Arona. Well the F did you expect?
Arona beat Mark Friggin Kerr at ADCC and made Tito cry at ADCC and unlike Randy isnt afraid to attack the better striker(honestly Randys last fight was a shame). Arona is the best grappler in MMA history. His ADCC record speaks for itself, the man can and does get dominant position on anyone and everyone. He gave Fedor(a man who could beat half of the UFC roster in a matter of a week) a serious run for his money and if the judges followed the RINGS rules to the fullest Fedor(the best fighter of all time) too would have lost the decision to Arona. So i dont know why you are trying to bring in Arona to argue against Wand. Yes Wand is glorified beyond what he deserves but the man has owned Japan and that is what i stated. And as for being protected. Lets not forget when PrideFC sent Ninja over and UFC refused to accept the offer and didnt let him fight Chuck. Chuck and Dana backed out of the deal plain and simple, they knew Chuck couldnt win a standup fight against the Chute Boxe method(and this wasnt even a prime Shogun we are talking about just his older brother Ninja). And you say Page whopping Chuck was 3 years ago. Big deal Chuck was 34 years old then its not like he was merely 20 something like Silva was when the Phenom ko'd him silly in UFC Brazil.
Secondly good point on bringing forth the Japanese fighters domination under 163 lbs, Bushido was a great example of that. However i have to question why Pride never brings Vitor Shaolin up? Hes the only man on the planet aside from Hellboy Hensen i see giving Gomi a run for his money, that is assuming BJ Penn wont cut to lw again.
man, you guys are intense, i should get into this stuff
You should stick with getting into Milt 
EDIT: just realized that could be taken the wrong way
EDIT: just realized that could be taken the wrong way
sometimes one needs to branch out, i'm sure there is a confucian proverb to help me out in a time like this
^ Yes it goes "Do all MILTs like Milt does Layups".
Anybody run down the difference between K1 and Pride?
I've been watching a lot of stuff from both and I'm not even going to try and debate the huge gaps in talent between those leagues and UFC (although, I think the cage has its pros and cons versus the ring).
I've been watching a lot of stuff from both and I'm not even going to try and debate the huge gaps in talent between those leagues and UFC (although, I think the cage has its pros and cons versus the ring).
^ Simply put K-1 has the best strikers the world has ever seen, since it is the top dog when it comes to kickboxing events, heck i dont think the next dozen shows could even rival it combined.
They also have some insane cross atheletes who both kickbox and do mma. Like Crocop and Hunt did and now LeBanner is doing. Their big names in MMA are Fujita, Kid, Sudo, Hearing, Sapp, etc
Pride is the best MMA only show, they have the deepest talent pool in every division. Comparing it to UFC is unfair for UFC at the moments since you have to keep in mind UFC is still financially recovering from its dark ages. The one thing UFC does have going for it that no other org does is the 170 pound divison. Hughes, GSP, and Penn is sick. Sadly it is not true for the other division since they are mostly stacked with 5/5 fighters (5000 salary to show 5000 to win), once UFC becomes even more mainstream you will see top international fighters coming UFC just as often as they do to Pride.
Prides HW, MW, WW and LW division are head and shoulders ahead of all (UFC, k-1, shooto, pancarse, inoki, CR, KOTC etc) in comparisons of the best fighters and overall depth.
Pride will continue to sign every big name superstar for some time to come since they can afford to dish out 100,000s to anyone for a good show, while UFC cant. K-1 can and does outbid Pride when the certain fighter has a huge fan base in Japan. example Rickson and Bob Sapp. But recently pride has stepped it up and dished out $4 million dollars for the Ogawa vs Yoshida fight. Which is more than UFC spent on fighter salaries in all of 2005. This just shows you how much more capable they are at getting whomever they want, when compared to UFC or other smaller orgs. Will UFC ever be lucrative enough to sign the Fedors, Shoguns and Big Nogs of the world? I hope so but it doesnt look like they will anytime soon, MMA still isnt anywhere near as popular in USA as it is in Japan.
They also have some insane cross atheletes who both kickbox and do mma. Like Crocop and Hunt did and now LeBanner is doing. Their big names in MMA are Fujita, Kid, Sudo, Hearing, Sapp, etc
Pride is the best MMA only show, they have the deepest talent pool in every division. Comparing it to UFC is unfair for UFC at the moments since you have to keep in mind UFC is still financially recovering from its dark ages. The one thing UFC does have going for it that no other org does is the 170 pound divison. Hughes, GSP, and Penn is sick. Sadly it is not true for the other division since they are mostly stacked with 5/5 fighters (5000 salary to show 5000 to win), once UFC becomes even more mainstream you will see top international fighters coming UFC just as often as they do to Pride.
Prides HW, MW, WW and LW division are head and shoulders ahead of all (UFC, k-1, shooto, pancarse, inoki, CR, KOTC etc) in comparisons of the best fighters and overall depth.
Pride will continue to sign every big name superstar for some time to come since they can afford to dish out 100,000s to anyone for a good show, while UFC cant. K-1 can and does outbid Pride when the certain fighter has a huge fan base in Japan. example Rickson and Bob Sapp. But recently pride has stepped it up and dished out $4 million dollars for the Ogawa vs Yoshida fight. Which is more than UFC spent on fighter salaries in all of 2005. This just shows you how much more capable they are at getting whomever they want, when compared to UFC or other smaller orgs. Will UFC ever be lucrative enough to sign the Fedors, Shoguns and Big Nogs of the world? I hope so but it doesnt look like they will anytime soon, MMA still isnt anywhere near as popular in USA as it is in Japan.
Anybody have any thoughts on Diego Sanchez? Man, that kid is tough! He'll be the Kelly Clarkson of the UFC. He's a definite champ in the future.
I don't understand is how Quarry got a title shot against Franklin at UFC 56. I'm so glad he got his ass kicked!
I don't understand is how Quarry got a title shot against Franklin at UFC 56. I'm so glad he got his ass kicked!
mjfan23 - I'll respond when I have more time - we have a good dialogue going.
Patrick - Diego has impressed me a lot in his fights. He looks like the only legit thing to come out of the TUF series outside of maybe Leben (that kid has a disgustingly good chin).
As far as Quarry, it was a win-win for UFC. Quarry wins, TUF gets instant viability as a launching point for fighters. He loses, and then Franklin gets a free title defence and the Randy Couture-esque mythology around him gets another notch (keep in mind in MMA, very few champions keep their belt for more than a few fights - Hughes, Silva, and Fedor being the only exceptions I see right now, and Silva should have lost his).
He was fed to the wolves far too early for my liking, so it'll be interesting to see what they do with him. He was KO'd twice against Franklin (watch the fight again to see), and with his age it's pretty clear he's reached his peak physically, so I don't know what's going to happen to him.
Patrick - Diego has impressed me a lot in his fights. He looks like the only legit thing to come out of the TUF series outside of maybe Leben (that kid has a disgustingly good chin).
As far as Quarry, it was a win-win for UFC. Quarry wins, TUF gets instant viability as a launching point for fighters. He loses, and then Franklin gets a free title defence and the Randy Couture-esque mythology around him gets another notch (keep in mind in MMA, very few champions keep their belt for more than a few fights - Hughes, Silva, and Fedor being the only exceptions I see right now, and Silva should have lost his).
He was fed to the wolves far too early for my liking, so it'll be interesting to see what they do with him. He was KO'd twice against Franklin (watch the fight again to see), and with his age it's pretty clear he's reached his peak physically, so I don't know what's going to happen to him.
Heres what really hurts Sanchez; the top dogs. He can not stand with either GSP, Penn or Hughes at 170 nor with Rich, The crow and such at 185. Yes he has great ground control and gets in the dominant position very quickly however, that is against guys weaker them him, but GSP and Hughes are the strongest guys at that weight class, possibily ever.
Sanchez was the gem of TUF as far as talent goes, but sadly the guys in the UFC title race are better than him at all aspects of the game, and age is not a factor since GSP too is very young and raw. Best thing UFC can do is feed him so-so fighters and continue building on his perfect record.
Thorbs since you too have been watching Pride, i guess you would agree the best thing UFC can do for themselves and mostly the fans would be a Bushido style 170 lb tournament. This way Sanchez, other TUfers, Diazm Riggs, etc get a shot at Hughes, Penn, GSP in a tourney formatt, and maybe they can convince their buddies at K-1 to send over Sudo again, and maybe Shooto can send over Hensen, and Shaolin(him in a cage with elbows allowed=DOMINATION) can rep Cage Rage, and Pride could send over one of their bigger 163ers like Chute Boxe standout Azerado.
I know this is a fantasy and we all know Dana White is cheap and thinks tourney arent safe, but now with MMA legal in California as well, maybe a 16 man tourney that spans over 6 or so months leading up to their next big show (Iceman vs Ortiz?) makes sense now. As for the above mentioned fantasy reps, the good thing is neither of those besides Shaolin is the organizations champ so it is a win win for them to send their fighters over, like people do with Prides tourneys.
Anyway this is going to be a great year for MMA and UFC is finally giving the fans what they want more regularly.
Sanchez was the gem of TUF as far as talent goes, but sadly the guys in the UFC title race are better than him at all aspects of the game, and age is not a factor since GSP too is very young and raw. Best thing UFC can do is feed him so-so fighters and continue building on his perfect record.
Thorbs since you too have been watching Pride, i guess you would agree the best thing UFC can do for themselves and mostly the fans would be a Bushido style 170 lb tournament. This way Sanchez, other TUfers, Diazm Riggs, etc get a shot at Hughes, Penn, GSP in a tourney formatt, and maybe they can convince their buddies at K-1 to send over Sudo again, and maybe Shooto can send over Hensen, and Shaolin(him in a cage with elbows allowed=DOMINATION) can rep Cage Rage, and Pride could send over one of their bigger 163ers like Chute Boxe standout Azerado.
I know this is a fantasy and we all know Dana White is cheap and thinks tourney arent safe, but now with MMA legal in California as well, maybe a 16 man tourney that spans over 6 or so months leading up to their next big show (Iceman vs Ortiz?) makes sense now. As for the above mentioned fantasy reps, the good thing is neither of those besides Shaolin is the organizations champ so it is a win win for them to send their fighters over, like people do with Prides tourneys.
Anyway this is going to be a great year for MMA and UFC is finally giving the fans what they want more regularly.
To respond, mjfan:
I see Silva's record as inflated because unlike the UFC, Pride DOES have the pool of fighters to have a champion go up against quality opponents regularly. As far as Liddell in Pride, he'd still struggle right now if he fought in the Pride ring - his game has turned into circling the octagon and waiting for the perfect shot, and he'd have trouble in the much smaller Pride ring, but I think he'd do much better than he did 3 years ago. His striking is on a whole other level than when he fought Overeem and Jackson.
About Arona - yeah, disgustingly strong grappler with deceivingly good standup (he was dominating Rampage before he got squished), but as Shogun showed, he's still susceptible to the Chute Boxe frantic, aggressive style - I just think Silva can't overwhelm an opponent like he used to. I'm not taking anything away from him, but I don't think he's the notch above everyone else that people think. I look to fights against guys like Hendo, where either fighter was very, very close to a KO for almost the entire fight.
You're dead-on about Sanchez, though he seems to have a decent chin and though he'd lose, I think him fighting Hughes would be the most compelling matchup to see the groundwork.
I think a tournament would be great for UFC, but wouldn't work because their talent pool is just too small, and they have too much pride/arrogance to work something out with Pride. I think that UFC also prefers to hype up what talent they do have instead of just letting them bang like Pride does. At 205, you can see the cycle between Couture-Liddell-Ortiz-Belfort over the past few years. Though some new blood like Babalu is coming up strong, they just can't compete with Pride shows, like Unbreakable on the 26th. Rampage, Kharitonov, Shogun, Coleman, Nakamura, Overeem, Big Nog (I think) - all in one show? UnF-ingbelievable.
As an aside, Riggs is very close to going back up to 185 after the Diaz fight. As far as Sudo - I'm a Sudo fan myself (the fight against Kid was great, I was surprised Genki stood with him), and I think he was really soured on the UFC after the Bang fight - the bullcrap rules they had in place then (standing them up after temporary fight stoppage for blood) cost him the fight 100%.
I see Silva's record as inflated because unlike the UFC, Pride DOES have the pool of fighters to have a champion go up against quality opponents regularly. As far as Liddell in Pride, he'd still struggle right now if he fought in the Pride ring - his game has turned into circling the octagon and waiting for the perfect shot, and he'd have trouble in the much smaller Pride ring, but I think he'd do much better than he did 3 years ago. His striking is on a whole other level than when he fought Overeem and Jackson.
About Arona - yeah, disgustingly strong grappler with deceivingly good standup (he was dominating Rampage before he got squished), but as Shogun showed, he's still susceptible to the Chute Boxe frantic, aggressive style - I just think Silva can't overwhelm an opponent like he used to. I'm not taking anything away from him, but I don't think he's the notch above everyone else that people think. I look to fights against guys like Hendo, where either fighter was very, very close to a KO for almost the entire fight.
You're dead-on about Sanchez, though he seems to have a decent chin and though he'd lose, I think him fighting Hughes would be the most compelling matchup to see the groundwork.
I think a tournament would be great for UFC, but wouldn't work because their talent pool is just too small, and they have too much pride/arrogance to work something out with Pride. I think that UFC also prefers to hype up what talent they do have instead of just letting them bang like Pride does. At 205, you can see the cycle between Couture-Liddell-Ortiz-Belfort over the past few years. Though some new blood like Babalu is coming up strong, they just can't compete with Pride shows, like Unbreakable on the 26th. Rampage, Kharitonov, Shogun, Coleman, Nakamura, Overeem, Big Nog (I think) - all in one show? UnF-ingbelievable.
As an aside, Riggs is very close to going back up to 185 after the Diaz fight. As far as Sudo - I'm a Sudo fan myself (the fight against Kid was great, I was surprised Genki stood with him), and I think he was really soured on the UFC after the Bang fight - the bullcrap rules they had in place then (standing them up after temporary fight stoppage for blood) cost him the fight 100%.
^ Sudo shouldnt have left Ruttens camp, he was unstoppable with Bas in his corner sort of like Kerr was with Bas by side, only in a different way.
Big Nog is going to have some big shoes to fill, he was so dominant before the surgey. This is one weird Pride show, Mirko Crocop isnt on it, nor is Fedor, and both look like they are gonna be out for a while with injuries. Sergei and Big Nog will have to carry the division for a while. But i guess it wont be that bad since Overeem is back to his natural weight and Shogun is coming up as well. Cant wait for Pride 32 nor UFC 58(only for the top two matches the rest of the card blows).
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=10...=pride+fighting
This is one of the best vids of Nog(s).
Big Nog is going to have some big shoes to fill, he was so dominant before the surgey. This is one weird Pride show, Mirko Crocop isnt on it, nor is Fedor, and both look like they are gonna be out for a while with injuries. Sergei and Big Nog will have to carry the division for a while. But i guess it wont be that bad since Overeem is back to his natural weight and Shogun is coming up as well. Cant wait for Pride 32 nor UFC 58(only for the top two matches the rest of the card blows).
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=10...=pride+fighting
This is one of the best vids of Nog(s).
Thanks for the clarification! I was wondering why I saw BJ Penn and a Gracie fight in one K1 segment and then two kickboxers (who had the fastest kicks I've ever seen!) fighting in another.
How do you think Penn is going to do against GSP in March? I've seen a couple of Penn's fights and he seemed quite dominant in the lighter weight class. I've only seen his 170lb fight against Hughes and it seemed like Hughes lost because of poor defence.
Oh yeah, what about your thoughts on Joe Stevenson? He was miles ahead of anyone else in TUF2, the guy looks really strong, hopefully he fights soon (unless he already has).
How do you think Penn is going to do against GSP in March? I've seen a couple of Penn's fights and he seemed quite dominant in the lighter weight class. I've only seen his 170lb fight against Hughes and it seemed like Hughes lost because of poor defence.
Oh yeah, what about your thoughts on Joe Stevenson? He was miles ahead of anyone else in TUF2, the guy looks really strong, hopefully he fights soon (unless he already has).
Penn and GSP has the potential to be a classic. Penn hasn't looked great in his past couple fights (a lot of which is due to him moving up and down in weight classes), and GSP is walking in with a ton of momentum and confidence. Penn can't quite bang with GSP (though they're MUCH closer in striking ability than Couture/Liddell or something like that), and though he's slick as hell on the ground, GSP is a strong mofo, so it'll be interesting to see how the distance and pace of the fight works out.
And yeah, I definitely forgot about Stevenson when I said how Sanchez was the only good thing to come out of the TUF series. He has a good bit of experience in KOTC and a few other organizations, but will need to get his striking up before he can tussle with the big boys. He seems one-dimensional without KO power (albeit a very, very good one-dimension in wrestling), so he needs to bring his striking up to overcome his lack of height and open up takedowns.
And yeah, I definitely forgot about Stevenson when I said how Sanchez was the only good thing to come out of the TUF series. He has a good bit of experience in KOTC and a few other organizations, but will need to get his striking up before he can tussle with the big boys. He seems one-dimensional without KO power (albeit a very, very good one-dimension in wrestling), so he needs to bring his striking up to overcome his lack of height and open up takedowns.
Yves Edwards will headline the new LW division(where Joe will fight), so i dont see Stevenson being title material anytime soon. Also rumors have been going around that Shootos Joachim HellBoy Hensen i all set to leave japan. He has already beat Gomi and if kajwari beats him in shooto his potential will get limited, plus many american fans are fimiliar with him for his war with american Ewwards and Uno the year before. Plus UFC would love to sign a LW who beat PrideFc's poster boy at his natural weight.
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